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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:23:33 GMT -6
Ed brought me in. I have no idea if the kid wanted, nor do I care. When I got to the building, I saw a giant clusterfuck. Ed asked myself and Sheik to "make some f**k**g sense of this sh*t". Middle of the show comes and Sean has no money to pay the us, so Ed, who was legit turning blue paid everyone one of the boys. Then the kid sends some old man over to Ed to try to get more money out of him to pay for a table that sheik went through. I was f**k**g hot and wanted to kill the kid. That is the short story of why I dislike the kid. Maybe I'm wrong and what the kid did was acceptable, but I also guess I have some sort of morals. Once again, f**k that kid. He has legit cancelled more shows than he has run anyways Ed did tell me that Sean was into him for four figures at the show AFTER the one you were flown into. With that said, I beg to ask why the hell Ed & The Sheik would be back for more? I mean, if Sean just about broke your backs with the Corino show that you ended up making, Joey, please tell me what's the point then in throwing away money into a bottomless pit?
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Post by Joey Eastman on May 9, 2011 13:24:57 GMT -6
Eddie was strong in his convictions with the NWA. He was strong in his convictions with The Sheik and I. He wanted us everywhere so people could see the package deal that we were taking around the country at the time.
When Ed told me that he was going to have this kid run under him, I threw up every objection, but at the end of the day, Ed wanted to do it. I back Eddie just as much as he backed me. I would have done anything he ever told me to do (and I do, blindly). I think after the show where Sheik work the Chief Eddie was done, but now he had to stay married to the kid because he was invested a lot of money and he wanted it back.
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Post by Joey Eastman on May 9, 2011 13:29:53 GMT -6
He is trying to run shows in an area that doesn't draw, but nonetheless he is still trying to run shows, so why bash on him for it. If you don't like that is fine, but why do it. Do you think it makes you feel any better than the next guy. Be honest Joey. He is trying to draw in an area that doesn't draw. That means he and you are f**k**g marks for putting money into a product that won't draw. At least Ed saw an investment of booking Sheik, me, Rashee, Keith, and the NWA guys to showcase to other promoters to get the product over and get his guys work. And yes Kevin, it does make me feel better that I will be honest with myself and lose $75 by not allowing this kid to take advantage of other guys. I do feel better about being true to my convictions and not feeding to the thought that anyone that wants to run a show should be able to run a show. Hope that answers your questions.
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Post by johnson on May 9, 2011 13:59:12 GMT -6
He is trying to run shows in an area that doesn't draw, but nonetheless he is still trying to run shows, so why bash on him for it. If you don't like that is fine, but why do it. Do you think it makes you feel any better than the next guy. Be honest Joey. It always amazes me as to how ingnorant you are, Phoenix. Streator is not too far from LaSalle at all, yet Jay Repsel and the fine people over at DREAMWAVE Wrestling, seem to have found a proper formula for drawing in that area. In the future, could you please only make statements that YOU have actual knowledge of.
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Post by daveprazak on May 9, 2011 14:04:30 GMT -6
Stories like those in this thread just make me shake my head.
The rule of thumb for promoting independent wrestling events should always be: Only run a show if you have enough cash on hand to cover all expenses even if zero additional tickets are sold at the door that night.
Unfortunately, that has become a rarity, rather than the norm. The only way promoters can get away with continuing to be irresponsible like that is if/when the workers allow them to be, and overlook it as though it's not a problem, when it is.
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Post by Justin Clark on May 9, 2011 14:14:35 GMT -6
Whoever says Streator (or the area that encompasses it) doesn't draw is dumb and should feel dumb.
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Post by Phoenix on May 9, 2011 14:14:05 GMT -6
He is trying to run shows in an area that doesn't draw, but nonetheless he is still trying to run shows, so why bash on him for it. If you don't like that is fine, but why do it. Do you think it makes you feel any better than the next guy. Be honest Joey. It always amazes me as to how ingnorant you are, Phoenix. Streator is not too far from LaSalle at all, yet Jay Repsel and the fine people over at DREAMWAVE Wrestling, seem to have found a proper formula for drawing in that area. In the future, could you please only make statements that YOU have actual knowledge of. Johnson, I have actual knowledge of this as I worked with Sean on these shows trying to make sure he was doing it right. I did not meet Ed until towards the end the first show when he found out I was the backer for the second show. If you have a legit beef with me then deal with me or keep your comments to yourself. Jay Repsel and anyone else running in the Lasalle/Peru have had their share of problems if memory serves me correctly. But I am not dragging him or Dreamwave into this. If you think you have what it takes to try and run a show, nore power to you. Joey, that is what I was wondering and I think if things were different, the shows could have been run better.
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Post by Phoenix on May 9, 2011 14:16:19 GMT -6
Whoever says Streator (or the area that encompasses it) doesn't draw is dumb and should feel dumb. I have no clue what they draw since I live in Northern IL and have only been down there twice in my time around Indy wrestling.
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Post by johnson on May 9, 2011 14:36:44 GMT -6
Whoever says Streator (or the area that encompasses it) doesn't draw is dumb and should feel dumb. I have no clue what they draw since I live in Northern IL and have only been down there twice in my time around Indy wrestling. If you dont have a clue as to what the area draws, why would you make the statement that he is trying to run shows in an area that doesnt draw? This is the ignorance that I am talking about.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 14:46:51 GMT -6
For the record, despite not knowing then "the backstage comings & goings," I thought Trick Or Beat '09 was a solid presentation. Then I returned for the show where Sheik & Chief worked and that show was pretty far removed than Trick Or Beat regardless of what that show drew. If you were looking to make up that money, that following show was all but an abortion in comparison. Not knocking The Sheik or Chief but the finish of that match wasn't exactly going to put future asses in seats. As bad as it was, it actually far exceeded anything that was before it that night. I even told Sean that.
In retrospect, I guess that November or December show was needed to realize what the definition of insanity was.
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Post by Phoenix on May 9, 2011 14:51:48 GMT -6
I have no clue what they draw since I live in Northern IL and have only been down there twice in my time around Indy wrestling. If you dont have a clue as to what the area draws, why would you make the statement that he is trying to run shows in an area that doesnt draw? This is the ignorance that I am talking about. I wouldn't call it ignorance bro. Would you know what the show will draw if you had never been there before. But I do see your point.
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Post by Joey Eastman on May 9, 2011 16:53:44 GMT -6
Big D- I think that was the show that the boys took over the book and made the show presentable.
Phoenix- Unfortunately, things were not different, therefor I think the boys should sit at home and not let this kid play Vince McMahon for a night. Dave is absolutely correct that the boys who work this show should be held responsible for working it. As far as Streator not drawing, Dave Cavazos brought me in last May and did like 700 people in Streator, so I think that statement is a bit silly.
"If you have something that people want to see, they will pay to see it no matter what else is going on that day" - Ed Chuman
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Post by slw on May 9, 2011 22:35:06 GMT -6
We have drawn good every time we run Streator. Last time was same night at Dreamwave and the Charity that hired us had over 300 paid. That was with Casino firefighters fundraiser going on also. Sure it would have drawn more it the show was a week later or earlier. Streator has a great fan base. Tobi use to run there he knows. Hundreds are easily drawn there. Just have to make sure people know about the show.
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Post by slw on May 9, 2011 22:42:00 GMT -6
I heard through the grapvine this show on 21st was canceled again. Is this true? Anyone know?
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Post by Justin Clark on May 9, 2011 22:59:22 GMT -6
I wouldn't call it ignorance bro. Would you know what the show will draw if you had never been there before. But I do see your point. You stated, plain as day, plain as day that it was an area that didn't draw. And then admitted you didn't know. Either you're a liar or stupid. Pick one.
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