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Post by aawstenaciousp on Jul 18, 2008 14:01:46 GMT -6
Finally got to listen to it and for the most part the guy was just doing shtick (that wasn't funny) and all of the sudden goes into a rant on the Briscoe's. There's probably a reason they are where they are and no one has ever heard of the "NOW". Hopefully this guy shares a lockeroom with Jay and Mark one day he can tell them how he feels about them in person. Somehow I doubt it will be an ROH lockeroom though
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Post by shinebox on Jul 18, 2008 14:28:26 GMT -6
Knowing the Briscoes as well as I do (ie not at all), it wouldn't matter what lockeroom they were in if they were called into a fight.
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Post by kermie0316 on Jul 18, 2008 15:01:53 GMT -6
This is a response to Dave Prazak from Vik Dalishus....hopefully it clears up some controversey....
Mr. Prazak- This is professional Wrestling. Everything that is said or done within the context of a "PROMO" are a work. A WORK. Phoney radio shows are a work too!!! Are you saying that our "promos" and "in character comments" are REAL and everybody else's are fake? That sounds a bit counter productive dont you think? Would babyfacing a babyface draw a dime? Wouldnt you want people to REALLY believe there was legit animosity between performers? This is fake wrestling, right? This radio show that I participated in was a means in which to 1) Get people interested in the controversial nature of that 2 characters (Vik and Hale) heading into the show July 19. 2) To create a sense of bitterness and hostility to ANY tag team in the business, not just the Briscoes, or Priceless, or LAX but any team that we can work with and make money. We seem to thnk that if a team is offended by what we have to say or think, then they should use their right to respond via Internet, Radio, Television, blog or even in person. I dont recall ever using the SHIMMER name in anything I said. The ROH name is the Number 3 promotion in the country, and stands for excellence in fantastic professional wrestling. Shimmer has provided many female workers an OUTSTANDING showplace for thier skills and abilities with many female athletes of high caliber. Kudo's to you and your extremly high caliber organization. Becky Bayless is an extremely talented worker and gifted as an in ring general, and I respect her abilities in the ring to the highest extent. I IN NO WAY intended to attack the organization Shimmer or ROH and I will refrain from using any mention in future interviews and/or promos to these organizations as you have requested. However, I will not censor myself or our team from comments about anybody in this profession, because it made u angry or the performers angry. Vik and Hale are fake, made up characters. Its pretend ( as my trainer Rip Rogers used to say "pre planned phoney BS) with the intent to draw money. MONEY. Wrestling needs real heels that people want to see be beat up, and we cant all wait around for somebody to make us good or bad. Myself as a real live person, respects the contributions that Mark and Jay Briscoe have made to the sport I love. They are the standard in what a quality, well polished tag team is and they have provided many entertaining moments for the fans of real pro wrestling for over 8 years. LAX is a team that deserved the brake they got and have made the absolute most of that spot they have, which i told them IN PERSON at a TNA taping. I am not a green horn, or some fool who is making comments about people without understanding that this business is about making money. If my comments upset you, a respected promoter and voice, then what do u think that did to Briscoe Brothers fans at home? Do you think they would pay fifteen dollars to watch them shut us up and send us packing? Quite possibly! Maybe not yet, because we are just starting to get the polish we need to compete on your esteemed level, but we hope that will be the case very soon. Maybe our 8 month tour of the the united states helped us with that polish, or maybe not. Did you actually hear the show Dave? Did you notice that I never said the SHIMMER word and wasn't the one referring to Becky Bayless? Do you have any idea who Vik Dalishus and Hale Collins are? Do you know our past? Do you know any of the work Vik has done with Brent Albright, or Nigel McGuiness or Tank Toland (ROH mainstays) in OVW? I Implore you to not take offense to the spoken word. I understand your right to defend your organization, but most people I have spoken to don't think I was offensive to your company or its performers and even feel maybe your reaction was a but presumitory and premature.. I stand by what I said as the NOW being the best tag team in pro wrestling. To be great in wrestling you gotta back up what you say and not be some poser who plays by "THOSE" rules. I wish you nothing but the best in your future shows. I hope that you take this as a response and not an attack on you. I, in no way, mean any offense or belitting to you at all. This is an e-mail ,so voice inflection must be disregarded. I want to clear the air and give my side of your story. Good luck and be well. Vik Dalishus from the NOW.
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Post by Patrick D. Creed on Jul 18, 2008 16:22:40 GMT -6
I've kept out of this long enough.
First off, Vik - thanks for calling our show "phoney" (P-H-O-N-Y). Like, I'm no psychic, but my guess is that we probably won't want you or anyone else from the company on the show anymore. London bridge is falling down...
Secondly, there is a huge difference between cutting a promo and someone and just outright bashing their work rate - which is exactly what you did. If, for instance, down the road, there was going to be a NOW vs. Briscoes match, you would be able to cut a promo on them (hopefully in a better way than you did Tuesday night. I mean, you say they have the same match all the time and we all know you would lose, so your team looks even shittier after the match. Listen to our Chris Jericho interview...he explains that pretty well. Oh, but we're phonies right?) You aren't going to have a match with the Briscoes anytime soon my friend. So you came off as bitter. You are clearly trying to make your name off someone who makes a better living than you in the wrestling business. There's a reason they are on PPV working the top teams in the world, and you are...well...hmmm......
And you asked Dave if he knew who you and your partner were....OF COURSE HE DOESN'T! No one did until Tuesday night. So you're welcome for making people care about you...this week.
Sorry for having to do this, but when I'm called a phony, I feel I need to defend myself.
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Post by daveprazak on Jul 18, 2008 19:05:39 GMT -6
Pat basically already said this, but there's a difference between cutting a worked promo designed to sell tickets to an upcoming show, increase interest in an upcoming match you are going to be a part of, and ultimately "draw money," and simply tearing down the abilities of wrestlers who have nothing to do with the show you are promoting, and nothing to do with the match you are going to be a part of. Criticizing the wrestling talent of guys in other companies does nothing to make fans want to go out of their way to see your show, watch your match, or spend money to see you. All it does is make you, and by association, the promotion, look petty. Want to draw money? Talk about the wrestlers who are on your show rather than bashing people who have nothing to do with it.
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Post by CameronJacobsLies on Jul 18, 2008 19:22:27 GMT -6
in my opinion NOW sucks. A shittyier Jason Dukes and some guy that looks like Jack Frost from Santa Clause 3. Sorry in my opinion they f**k**g suck and I hate them. I already put in for you chris
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Post by Sox on Jul 18, 2008 19:51:41 GMT -6
There is no such thing as bad publicity.
No Second City thread has ever had this many posts!
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Post by foxtrot on Jul 18, 2008 20:57:34 GMT -6
I find it ironic that some AWA marks are complaining about this, considering their history of trashing other companies' belts in their own ring.
Pathethic.
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Post by torello on Jul 19, 2008 9:45:36 GMT -6
Looking forward to the show even more now.
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Post by shinebox on Jul 19, 2008 13:43:28 GMT -6
I find it ironic that some AWA marks are complaining about this, considering their history of trashing other companies' belts in their own ring. Pathethic. AAW I believe you meant to say. Sox, seriously, you really think this thread sold more tickets than it normally would?
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Post by shinebox on Jul 19, 2008 13:47:34 GMT -6
This is professional Wrestling. Everything that is said or done within the context of a "PROMO" are a work. A WORK. Between this guy and Ben Jordan, what is there to gain by defending what's being done in wrestling by pointing out to everybody that its a work? Other than laziness, I can't figure it out.
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Post by loubowski1972 on Jul 19, 2008 23:39:38 GMT -6
I would just like to say that i had a great time in Midlo, ILL and seeing Second City Wrestling. Thanks to Smash & 103.5 Kiss FM for the Tickets. The guys i brought had a blast and can't wait till the next show. I will try and post a review on this later today.
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