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Post by rican on Oct 31, 2007 9:18:50 GMT -6
Thats it I am sooooo bringing poo on a stick to the ring!!!
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Post by tobihope on Oct 31, 2007 12:47:56 GMT -6
why does this always come up?? who gives a damn who tobi books. what if guys from central illinois dont attempt to get booked there? i was asked about working the cruiser cup but couldnt because of another booking. i havent attempted to make any contact since.. does that mean tobi is a bad guy? no.. it means i havent made any contact with him/sent a tape. i doubt its gonna matter where a guy is from if they send a tape that shows they have talent. but its up to the guy trying to get booked. Totally forgot about Kyle. There's two, Crimey. I've now doubled my output. You haven't proved your point, BTW. Back to my original point in regards to this post: Is Dingo considered a "known name"? Not in my book and here's why: Anybody who knows me knows I'm a stickler for not throwing certain terms around like "legend", "icon", etc. To me a known name is somebody who Mr. Joe Casual Fan Off Of The Street would know from just the mere mention of their name. One could argue that Dingo is a known St. Louis indy worker, but I hold the term "name" in higher regard. Does me saying this show any disespect to Dingo? I don't believe so. I'd raise the same eyebrow if somebody said the same thing about some of my favorite Chicago or MI. talent.
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Post by chrislee on Oct 31, 2007 14:51:48 GMT -6
This went from helping promote a great looking card, that I plan on attended by the way, into "I know more then he knows" type thread. The real funny thing about it is it started by a comment by Talon that was pretty much par for the course. Talon didn't say famous, legend or icon. He said Known. Big deal. Crimey I consider you a good friend but at this point if you a Tobi need to figure out whats wrong with wrestling maybe you two need look in a mirror. Anyway back to the event. It looks awesome. It's a little bit of a drive for me but its really looking like one of the bigger events in downstate this year. My hats off to everybody at NGW. ;D
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Post by Chicago Sucks! on Oct 31, 2007 19:52:29 GMT -6
Here's what Tobi's list consists of -- Kory Twist (formerly of GCW and now retired), Reid Reign (hasn't been back after one show), Sean Vincent (was to be on a Lincoln show that ended up being cancelled). Since Twist retired, he's back down to two names. He can claim to know all these names but he has no idea what they're capable of.
I've been to multiple Powerhouse shows, and by in large they were all average. They have yet to demonstrate to me at least that they have the vastly superior wrestling product, but they just haven't. They're better than several groups at least.
BTW Tobi, Dingo has been wrestling from St. Louis all the way to Texas. My feeling is he should had made the PWI 500 this year from the caliber of opponents he's faced and defeated (biggest win: AJ Styles at NWA CS) and missed the cut.
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Post by TALON on Nov 1, 2007 6:20:35 GMT -6
This went from helping promote a great looking card, that I plan on attended by the way, into "I know more then he knows" type thread. The real funny thing about it is it started by a comment by Talon that was pretty much par for the course. Talon didn't say famous, legend or icon. He said Known. Big deal. I never said it was a big deal Chris...I just said that for NGW to be bringing in a guy who more fans may have heard of is a plus.
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Post by TALON on Nov 1, 2007 6:42:34 GMT -6
Here's what Tobi's list consists of -- Kory Twist (formerly of GCW and now retired), Reid Reign (hasn't been back after one show), Sean Vincent (was to be on a Lincoln show that ended up being cancelled). Since Twist retired, he's back down to two names. He can claim to know all these names but he has no idea what they're capable of. I've been to multiple Powerhouse shows, and by in large they were all average. They have yet to demonstrate to me at least that they have the vastly superior wrestling product, but they just haven't. They're better than several groups at least. BTW Tobi, Dingo has been wrestling from St. Louis all the way to Texas. My feeling is he should had made the PWI 500 this year from the caliber of opponents he's faced and defeated (biggest win: AJ Styles at NWA CS) and missed the cut. I'm certain Tobi has a good idea of who is & is not capable when it comes to downstate guys...Is he saying that ANYONE in particular downstate is the sh!ts? NOT a bit. See his recent post to get an idea of what he means. For you to say that Powerhouse's product is average....really speaks volumes about a lack of knowledge (IMHO) that you have about the biz itself. Powerhouse has a good roster of talent from all over the midwest, & every show I've been to...has not been disappointing. Crimey, I'm not saying you know nothing...but do NOT call out Tobi on this....b/c quite frankly, you're not going to win the feud. Tobi knows what he is doing. Heck, I'll go so far as to say that yes there ARE some downstate guys that are worthy of being used more upstate, but that does not mean I am saying that they are any more stand out than any other worker. I could list 5, & Tobi may or may not agree with all of them, but I'd bet he'd give me a reason why. My 5: Mis Madman (Decatur) Chris Hazard - NGW Napalm- St. Louis Phoenix Twins- Champaign (Technically they are DOWNSTATE!) Kyle Rich- NGW
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Post by george3 on Nov 1, 2007 7:04:49 GMT -6
Just curious, Crimey, seeing as this thread has been totally hijacked, how do you know what Tobi's list of downstaters is, or if he knows who's capable of what? In addition to being a wealth of worthless information have you also become a mindreader? Have you ever thought about scheduling conflicts preventing some people from working on shows? I know that is happening with me right now. A promoter has expressed interest but the timing is not right. Or, as ws pointed out earlier, what downstaters have tried to get booked with Tobi? There are many possibilities yet you see only one. Open your eyes and shut your mouth. There is a reason you have two ears and only one mouth; you should listen twice as much as you speak. And poo on a stick is great!
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Post by botch on Nov 1, 2007 8:45:01 GMT -6
Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and chime in here myself. Being a promoter, people can offer their opinion as to who they think Fire Pro should book, but in the end, I still make the call. the same thing can be said for Tobi. It seems like over and over Tobi gets bashed for not using certain guys. In the end, Tobi + Lyle have the say for Powerhouse and they will book whoever they believe will get over with the crowd (whether concentrating on work-rate or gimmick). If you don't like it, then start your own fed.
On another note (just to get back on topic) I have never personally been to an NGW show, but have seen some of the talent (Fire Pro regularly uses Gilbert + Ali and have used others down there as well) and see that NGW is on a roll. I personally have never even heard of Dingo, but the fact that they are willing to do something with a certain measure of risk by bringing in someone I applaud.
steve
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Post by TALON on Nov 1, 2007 8:53:09 GMT -6
Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and chime in here myself. Being a promoter, people can offer their opinion as to who they think Fire Pro should book, but in the end, I still make the call. the same thing can be said for Tobi. It seems like over and over Tobi gets bashed for not using certain guys. In the end, Tobi + Lyle have the say for Powerhouse and they will book whoever they believe will get over with the crowd (whether concentrating on work-rate or gimmick). If you don't like it, then start your own fed. On another note (just to get back on topic) I have never personally been to an NGW show, but have seen some of the talent (Fire Pro regularly uses Gilbert + Ali and have used others down there as well) and see that NGW is on a roll. I personally have never even heard of Dingo, but the fact that they are willing to do something with a certain measure of risk by bringing in someone I applaud. steve I give the "prophet of pain" a big amen. Essentially, that was what I was trying to get at. Best of luck to NGW. If I am not mistaken, won't this event be at a new venue as well? Maybe this is a turn around point from the old PAC days. If I were still in that area...I'd go check this one out, & encourage all those who are to see what they have to offer.
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Post by tobihope on Nov 1, 2007 9:27:08 GMT -6
This went from helping promote a great looking card, that I plan on attended by the way, into "I know more then he knows" type thread. The real funny thing about it is it started by a comment by Talon that was pretty much par for the course. Talon didn't say famous, legend or icon. He said Known. Big deal. Crimey I consider you a good friend but at this point if you a Tobi need to figure out whats wrong with wrestling maybe you two need look in a mirror. Anyway back to the event. It looks awesome. It's a little bit of a drive for me but its really looking like one of the bigger events in downstate this year. My hats off to everybody at NGW. ;D My original post had to do w/ NGW's show, thus staying on topic. No hijacking here. Thanks for the advice "Coop", but I tend to only take advice from people who actually have experience and knowledge of what they are talking about. When you actually run a show and not just a You Tube talk-show, I'll listen. Not trying to be mean, just being truthful. NGW - good luck on the show. I too dig Gilbert & Ali.
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Post by Justin Clark on Nov 1, 2007 10:05:17 GMT -6
My original post had to do w/ NGW's show, thus staying on topic. No hijacking here. Thanks for the advice "Coop", but I tend to only take advice from people who actually have experience and knowledge of what they are talking about. When you actually run a show and not just a You Tube talk-show, I'll listen. Not trying to be mean, just being truthful.NGW - good luck on the show. I too dig Gilbert & Ali. I hate to break this to you, bud. But as a paying customer, he's got a right to say what he wants. That's why I don't bash Crimefighter. I let him alone if I don't agree. And I think Chris's advice had very little to do with wrestling as it did business in general. I run shows and I agree with him. You constantly bash and bash and bash, and to be my most honest, that's the only thing people know YOU for. I've never seen anything postive from you or any of your posts on the intarweb.
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Post by tobihope on Nov 1, 2007 10:22:54 GMT -6
You constantly bash and bash and bash, and to be my most honest, that's the only thing people know YOU for. I've never seen anything postive from you or any of your posts on the intarweb. Did I not just wish NGW good luck on their show? Despite what you think, I don't wish doom and gloom on any promotion.
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Post by george3 on Nov 1, 2007 11:13:06 GMT -6
(EDIT) Pardon my omission, please add george3 to the list...we have voices of reason downstate. Listen to those voices. Thanks. BTW, Crimey, I have probably wrestled in as wide a variety of locations as Dingo, all the way down to central Florida. I have even been told we have been heard of in Memphis, though as a team we have not wrestled there. We have been to places for the first time and fans show up with our names on signs. Still, I would not call myself or partner "known" names. Dingo has the potential and I'm sure he'll be there, and fairly soon, but not yet.
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Post by TALON on Nov 1, 2007 11:48:43 GMT -6
You constantly bash and bash and bash, and to be my most honest, that's the only thing people know YOU for. I've never seen anything postive from you or any of your posts on the intarweb. Did I not just wish NGW good luck on their show? Despite what you think, I don't wish doom and gloom on any promotion. Earlier in this post was talk of two ears & only one mouth....this is also why we have two EYES!
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Post by chrislee on Nov 1, 2007 13:13:41 GMT -6
[/quote]Thanks for the advice "Coop", but I tend to only take advice from people who actually have experience and knowledge of what they are talking about. When you actually run a show and not just a You Tube talk-show, I'll listen. Not trying to be mean, just being truthful.[/quote]
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