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Post by Frost on Jan 8, 2008 18:34:35 GMT -6
This is what I hate about this fed. Every time there is a post, a bunch of there workers come on and try to hype up their shows by cutting promos on a message board. It makes you look yardy and dumb when you do that, and I can care less about your shows if I don't go to them. I think it looks silly for a bunch of the workers to come on and try to put themselves over on a damn message board What worker are you talking about? The only people to come on the board the have something to do with the company is Frankie - explaining the show dates, and the dean and bobbyj - explaining their questionable calls during the battle royal. And in each of these situations, they were answering questions that were asked by other posters.... And if you don't care about the fed, or come to the shows, why are you reading posts about the fed?
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Post by blazeogw on Jan 8, 2008 20:42:19 GMT -6
This is what I hate about this fed. Every time there is a post, a bunch of there workers come on and try to hype up their shows by cutting promos on a message board. It makes you look yardy and dumb when you do that, and I can care less about your shows if I don't go to them. I think it looks silly for a bunch of the workers to come on and try to put themselves over on a damn message board To be honest, I'm pretty sure people have stopped worrying about what you hate. Every post I've seen from you has been about how you hate this and how that was dumb. A good critic offers his/her opinion on the subject and then offers an explaination on why they feel that way... AND THEN they appeal to the opposing view by offering unbiased suggestions or healthy compromise on how they can improve or appeal to people like themselves. Like this... I greatly dislike your posts. They are very bitter and hateful toward everything. You come off as though you don't even like wrestling, you just like to hate it. I would suggest that you 1. stop coming on the boards to read and write about things that you hate or 2. present yourself as a good and productive critic as I have explained above. Now doing #2 would not only make you seem more credible and less hateful, it would give people who think the way i do more of a reason to read while still enabling you to post your initial thoughts as you normally do (healthy compromise). Please take this into consideration. I like reading everyone's thoughts, but I don't like reading hate.
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Post by 1-900-909-9900 on Jan 8, 2008 21:19:04 GMT -6
This is what I hate about this fed. Every time there is a post, a bunch of there workers come on and try to hype up their shows by cutting promos on a message board. It makes you look yardy and dumb when you do that, and I can care less about your shows if I don't go to them. I think it looks silly for a bunch of the workers to come on and try to put themselves over on a damn message board To be honest, I'm pretty sure people have stopped worrying about what you hate. Every post I've seen from you has been about how you hate this and how that was dumb. A good critic offers his/her opinion on the subject and then offers an explaination on why they feel that way... AND THEN they appeal to the opposing view by offering unbiased suggestions or healthy compromise on how they can improve or appeal to people like themselves. Like this... I greatly dislike your posts. They are very bitter and hateful toward everything. You come off as though you don't even like wrestling, you just like to hate it. I would suggest that you 1. stop coming on the boards to read and write about things that you hate or 2. present yourself as a good and productive critic as I have explained above. Now doing #2 would not only make you seem more credible and less hateful, it would give people who think the way i do more of a reason to read while still enabling you to post your initial thoughts as you normally do (healthy compromise). Please take this into consideration. I like reading everyone's thoughts, but I don't like reading hate. Well then don't read it. I like to follow the entire scene, and question what I think is stupid, and praise what I like. I'm just saying what I think. It is my opinion. Don't take it as gospel. I like things about the scene, they are just very few and far between. Just because I don't come on here and kiss everyone's asses to get a booking doesn't mean a damn thing. I enjoy IWA and I enjoy AAW. I don't enjoy things like Steve Boz slapping his leg every time he throws a kick. I don't enjoy Trauma and Red and Hayze and Cain coming on and putting themselves over. I don't enjoy 1,000 feds in the area running the same buildings with the same guys. I do enjoy EPW using guys like Marion Fontaine and giving Chase Richards a good spot. I do enjoy ICW in Milwaukee finally bringing quality wrestling to Milwaukee, instead of yarder shows on the south side. I POWW having some very good shows top to bottom. I don't enjoy a guy named Chris Sader working matches considering he is untrained, has no gear, and has no clue what he is doing. See, just because I sh*t on the things you like doesn't mean I sh*t on everything. I just don't like things that I don't like and I'm not afraid to voice my opinion. God Bless the internet huh?
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Post by Airblade on Jan 8, 2008 22:14:32 GMT -6
So its wrong for the guys who work in a company to help promote their company on this board?? Man....I could have swore this was wrestling board.
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Post by Lilith on Jan 8, 2008 22:20:23 GMT -6
Carny, if you are referring to BobbyJ and the way he posts, sadly that's how he is in real life. There is no difference between BobbyJ the ref and BobbyJ the guy outside the wrestling world. Ask around, you'll see I state nothing but the truth on that one. I'm curious though if you have ever been to a VWAA show or are simply making statements based off of what you read on the board? If you have been to a show, please tell us which one it was and what you liked and disliked. If not, then I highly suggest you check out the product before you attempt to criticize it. I don't enjoy things like Steve Boz slapping his leg every time he throws a kick. Are you a trainer? If so how about some helpful suggestions to a guy who has been working in the scene for how many years? I don't enjoy Trauma and Red and Hayze and Cain coming on and putting themselves over. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that part of the business? I don't enjoy 1,000 feds in the area running the same buildings with the same guys. I highly doubt any fed in the area is going to say "Well gee folks, we've had a great run but we are going to respectfully hang up our boots to make the scene less watered down." I also don't think you fully understand how difficult it is to find a venue that will A)Welcome a wrestling show B)Do it for an affordable price (most of the local feds aren't made out of money after all) and C) Be in a convenient location for both the fans and the workers to get to.
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Post by Machine on Jan 8, 2008 22:21:12 GMT -6
To be honest, I'm pretty sure people have stopped worrying about what you hate. Every post I've seen from you has been about how you hate this and how that was dumb. A good critic offers his/her opinion on the subject and then offers an explaination on why they feel that way... AND THEN they appeal to the opposing view by offering unbiased suggestions or healthy compromise on how they can improve or appeal to people like themselves. Like this... I greatly dislike your posts. They are very bitter and hateful toward everything. You come off as though you don't even like wrestling, you just like to hate it. I would suggest that you 1. stop coming on the boards to read and write about things that you hate or 2. present yourself as a good and productive critic as I have explained above. Now doing #2 would not only make you seem more credible and less hateful, it would give people who think the way i do more of a reason to read while still enabling you to post your initial thoughts as you normally do (healthy compromise). Please take this into consideration. I like reading everyone's thoughts, but I don't like reading hate. Well then don't read it. I like to follow the entire scene, and question what I think is stupid, and praise what I like. I'm just saying what I think. It is my opinion. Don't take it as gospel. I like things about the scene, they are just very few and far between. Just because I don't come on here and kiss everyone's asses to get a booking doesn't mean a damn thing. I enjoy IWA and I enjoy AAW. I don't enjoy things like Steve Boz slapping his leg every time he throws a kick. I don't enjoy Trauma and Red and Hayze and Cain coming on and putting themselves over. I don't enjoy 1,000 feds in the area running the same buildings with the same guys. I do enjoy EPW using guys like Marion Fontaine and giving Chase Richards a good spot. I do enjoy ICW in Milwaukee finally bringing quality wrestling to Milwaukee, instead of yarder shows on the south side. I POWW having some very good shows top to bottom. I don't enjoy a guy named Chris Sader working matches considering he is untrained, has no gear, and has no clue what he is doing. See, just because I sh*t on the things you like doesn't mean I sh*t on everything. I just don't like things that I don't like and I'm not afraid to voice my opinion. God Bless the internet huh? Its not god bless the internet its god bless your right to a friggin opinoin! At least your up front and honest about it rather than having some other hidden agenda right? Its all good! and im not trying to be sarcastic. I am glad to be apart of this company and hope to see it go farther! and i always welcome opinions no matter how positive or negative! ok ok ok im being to happy uhhhmmmmmmm............... eat babies? ok i feel better
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Post by Lilith on Jan 8, 2008 22:24:53 GMT -6
Machine how many times to I have to tell you that BobbyJ's Prozac and Backwood's Jack Daniels don't mix?
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Post by blazeogw on Jan 9, 2008 0:40:54 GMT -6
I enjoy IWA and I enjoy AAW. I do enjoy EPW using guys like Marion Fontaine and giving Chase Richards a good spot. I do enjoy ICW in Milwaukee finally bringing quality wrestling to Milwaukee, instead of yarder shows on the south side. I POWW having some very good shows top to bottom. This is honestly the first time i've ever seen you post anything positive about anything, which is a plus in my book. I can see where you can dislike certain things like people trying to put themselves or their product over, but like lilith said, that's all a part of the business.
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Post by 1-900-909-9900 on Jan 9, 2008 7:45:14 GMT -6
I consider this a smart board. I for one (and I'm probably not just speaking for myself) do not want to come online and read workers cutting promos about how they were cheated and how the royal was fixed or what ever. It comes off as cheap.
This is one of the guys I am referring to. If that is how he is in real life, then the owner of the company should keep him off of the message board. From what it looks to me, it could be hurting the company. I've seen this guy cut promos online numerous times. May I suggest VWAA keep this guy on their message board so he can sharpen his message board promo skillz
I said I had never been to a show. I also said I wouldn't go to a show because the company comes off lame on the only wrestling message board I read regularly. I never criticized the shows, I criticized how it's employees act in a public forum
How about not slapping your leg when you throw a kick. That makes sense to me. I don't understand why you guys are on Boz's nuts so much. Outside of working a couple of squash matches for WWE, what has he ever done?
No, getting over in the ring is a part of the business, not a message board. I know those guys have numerous screen names on this site, and they use those names to help get themselves over. It's kind of lame when you really think about it
Maybe you don't understand the fact that numerous feds running in the same area waters down the area. Maybe people should just think about not running a promotion just so they can have a place to work
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Post by Lilith on Jan 9, 2008 12:41:39 GMT -6
I consider this a smart board. I for one (and I'm probably not just speaking for myself) do not want to come online and read workers cutting promos about how they were cheated and how the royal was fixed or what ever. It comes off as cheap. It's a part of the board. It always has been. While I agree that it can get a little ridiculous at times you just have to deal with it and learn to cut out the "fluff" of things. This is one of the guys I am referring to. If that is how he is in real life, then the owner of the company should keep him off of the message board. From what it looks to me, it could be hurting the company. I've seen this guy cut promos online numerous times. May I suggest VWAA keep this guy on their message board so he can sharpen his message board promo skillz You aren't the first one that has addressed this with the VWAA owners. They've tried putting some sort of leash on the BobbyJ but have had little success. Until BobbyJ does something to get banned from the board he will continue to speak his mind, or lack there of. I said I had never been to a show. I also said I wouldn't go to a show because the company comes off lame on the only wrestling message board I read regularly. I never criticized the shows, I criticized how it's employees act in a public forum You are making a decision based off of what people write on a board? If I had made that decision based off of various peoples personality's I would be missing out on a lot of great shows and feds. Classic example: When I first started coming to this board I thought Joey Eastman was an obnoxious jerk who was all talk and not a drop of talent. Then I saw him work at a show and his ring charisma was amazing and he's a great guy. Still obnoxious at times though. I invite you to one of the VWAA shows to check it out, send me a PM prior to the show you want to attend and it's on me (prefrably a few days since I check the board on an irregular basis.) If you hate it the only thing you will have lost is time. But, you'll at least have some legit grounds to criticize the company about. How about not slapping your leg when you throw a kick. That makes sense to me. I don't understand why you guys are on Boz's nuts so much. Outside of working a couple of squash matches for WWE, what has he ever done? Squash match or not, he has still made it to the WWe. It's a claim that a lot of local workers can't make. So whether you like it or not, whatever Steve Boz is doing something right. No, getting over in the ring is a part of the business, not a message board. I know those guys have numerous screen names on this site, and they use those names to help get themselves over. It's kind of lame when you really think about it The board is just another outlet in a world of technology. Maybe you don't understand the fact that numerous feds running in the same area waters down the area. Maybe people should just think about not running a promotion just so they can have a place to work Did you not read my original post? I clearly stated that I acknowledge the scene is watered down. However, ask any fed around if they would stop running shows so the scene would be less watered down and they would laugh in your face. Until some of the feds out there stop making some sort of profit off of their product it wont happen. Same with most of the workers in the scene a job is a job, money is money, and exposure is exposure no matter where they work.
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Post by Frost on Jan 9, 2008 12:58:05 GMT -6
I invite you to one of the VWAA shows to check it out, send me a PM prior to the show you want to attend and it's on me (prefrably a few days since I check the board on an irregular basis.). Can I get in on that Lilith? No, getting over in the ring is a part of the business, not a message board. I know those guys have numerous screen names on this site, and they use those names to help get themselves over. It's kind of lame when you really think about it. I'm going to assume that since carny started this whole conversation after I posted questions about the outcome of the battle royal, he thinks that I'm a worker at VWAA. To that I say this..... ....felt good to do that again.....but I digress.... Please know this, I am a fan, and that is all. Do not insult all the wrestlers and upcoming wrestlers in VWAA (and all Indy feds and pro feds for that matter!!) by mixing me in with them. I was simply asking about some outcomes of the match that I felt weren't right. The time for me to even start to train to get in the ring has long passed, and I am content to sit in the audience and do what fans do (it's fun, ask Machine and Ratt J. Pinwheel, hell, ask most of the VWAA roster that know me....). Although........I would make a heck of a comemtator...HMMMMMMM....
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Post by Ratt J. Flywheel on Jan 9, 2008 16:19:36 GMT -6
'Good' Commentator? Part of being a good commentator is that you can shut your mouth when you're supposed to. I have yet to see your gums stop flapping, Popsicle.
And I don't see how coming on the board and interacting with fans is a bad thing, nor do I see how someone from any given company coming on here and explaining how things happened to someone that didn't see or understand it is such a big deal. I read both BobbyJ's and 'The Dean' Mr. Clean's posts and quite frankly I don't see how they were, as you say, putting themselves over.
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Post by Frost on Jan 9, 2008 16:29:04 GMT -6
'Good' Commentator? Part of being a good commentator is that you can shut your mouth when you're supposed to. I have yet to see your gums stop flapping, Popsicle. OH, I know when to be quiet.....it's just the times that I don't have to and can't be made to that seem to be problematic to others.... But then, I think you already know that....
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Post by Lilith on Jan 9, 2008 20:37:52 GMT -6
I invite you to one of the VWAA shows to check it out, send me a PM prior to the show you want to attend and it's on me (prefrably a few days since I check the board on an irregular basis.). Can I get in on that Lilith? Not to put myself over or anything but, consider yourself lucky that I even grace you with my presense Frosty.
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Post by Frost on Jan 10, 2008 8:13:08 GMT -6
Can I get in on that Lilith? Not to put myself over or anything but, consider yourself lucky that I even grace you with my presense Frosty. Here's the thing, if you didn't come over and kiss on Champ every show (he's developing a very unsightly rash on his face, BTW), I wouldn't even know you where there. So, please, don't do me any favors...now if you were Dymond........ You still haven't answered my question though.... I invite you to one of the VWAA shows to check it out, send me a PM prior to the show you want to attend and it's on me (prefrably a few days since I check the board on an irregular basis.). Can I get in on that Lilith? Well??
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