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Post by wrestlinggeek123 on Jan 12, 2008 18:35:55 GMT -6
I'm curious - I've never been to a WAR (Slam) show w/ Sader on it so I was wondering how over this gimmick is. Do people pop for this guy when he comes out to "Real American" and is wearing the red & yellow? First of all I want to apologize to anyone I offended with my views. I was simply hear to defend my friend Chris Sader. Hopefully all this is over with, and he doesn't have any knowing of getting bashed or getting defended on these boards. But I felt I needed to defend him. To answer the question, before Chris Sader came in with his nephew (Jeff Mora) back in October, when they debuted for Slam Wrestling, the show before that had 20 fans. The show with them on there, had a 120. Even with his nephew gone, WAR is still averaging 70 and above fans. This does have a lot to do with Chris Sader. He does deserve credit off the increase of attendance. He always has the loudest pop of anybody on the show. That is a fact. Next Question Please.
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Post by dan5172 on Jan 12, 2008 19:25:09 GMT -6
The Butcher is the reason I am down with WAR. My first show was The Four Points Sheraton (Black Wednesday) and I was quite pleased with it. My first trip to the dojo was with two more friends on Dec. 14th and we all will be back on the 25th with maybe more. The league will continue to get noticed more since guys like me are on here. Get ready as The WARHead Nation runs wild on you..............BROTHER!!!!!
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Post by Chief Luzano on Jan 12, 2008 19:50:17 GMT -6
Ok, thats enough now. I regularly go to WAR/Slam shows. So I will tell you how it really is, not from a marks point of view:
Sader SUCKS. Flat out. Can't sell, can't bump, can't even throw a punch. He's over with the thirty five or so 5 year old kids that are there. The adults laugh at him. If the promoter wants to book someone to entertain those kids, so be it. Now, again he SUCKS, but the kids talk about him while they leave show, so take that for what its worth.
The Butcher. Need I say more? Every shows I've been at, the guy bleeds all over the place. For no f'n reason. Learn how to do a damn leap frog first. Butcher is useless. He sucks, matches are long and boring, and he aint over with anyone.
Steve Boz. MEGA OVER. His music hits and the kids run to the entrance way.
Acid Jaz. See Boz.
Isais V. and Remy Rainz: Remy is the weak link of the two but they work REALLY well together. Great heels. Their tag match from the last show was motn.
Marshee Rockeet: AWESOME stuff with Prince Ali. The last match in their feaud was some really excellent stuff. AWESOME tag match w/ his parter Jeff L. against Isais and Remy Rainz at the last show. Went really over with the crowd.
Iceman Tim Norton: The kid tries. He enjoys himself in the ring, but he doesn't seem to ever improve. I've been to Slam shows since they first started w/ Danny Daniels in charge and this kid hasnt show any improvement since then. Well, he stopped doing Stonce Cold Steve Austin moves so I guess that's a plus?
Brandon Bishop: Excited to see him.
Keith Walker: Scares the living piss outta me, and pretty much everone in the audience. Great Heel. In ring work, is meh.
Prince Ali: Regularly has motn. Great Heel, great worker, and puts on some really great matches. However, he sometime puts a little too much comedy in for his gimmick.
Rudo Cortez: I honestly feel bad for Rudo. He's an outstanding talent, and any time I've talked to him after the shows he comes up as a really cool guy. But he gets stuck working some guys that I dont think he really wants to work with. He just doesn't seem motivated to do anything in the ring.
Samantha Hart: If that "woman" meows at me one more time, I will punch her.
Gavin Dunn: MONEY
Hatebreed: Honestly havent formed an opinion on them yet.
Overall, WAR has some good stuff.
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Post by dan5172 on Jan 12, 2008 20:21:23 GMT -6
Ok, thats enough now. I regularly go to WAR/Slam shows. So I will tell you how it really is, not from a marks point of view: Sader SUCKS. Flat out. Can't sell, can't bump, can't even throw a punch. He's over with the thirty five or so 5 year old kids that are there. The adults laugh at him. If the promoter wants to book someone to entertain those kids, so be it. Now, again he SUCKS, but the kids talk about him while they leave show, so take that for what its worth. The Butcher. Need I say more? Every shows I've been at, the guy bleeds all over the place. For no f'n reason. Learn how to do a damn leap frog first. Butcher is useless. He sucks, matches are long and boring, and he aint over with anyone. Steve Boz. MEGA OVER. His music hits and the kids run to the entrance way. Acid Jaz. See Boz. Isais V. and Remy Rainz: Remy is the weak link of the two but they work REALLY well together. Great heels. Their tag match from the last show was motn. Marshee Rockeet: AWESOME stuff with Prince Ali. The last match in their feaud was some really excellent stuff. AWESOME tag match w/ his parter Jeff L. against Isais and Remy Rainz at the last show. Went really over with the crowd. Iceman Tim Norton: The kid tries. He enjoys himself in the ring, but he doesn't seem to ever improve. I've been to Slam shows since they first started w/ Danny Daniels in charge and this kid hasnt show any improvement since then. Well, he stopped doing Stonce Cold Steve Austin moves so I guess that's a plus? Brandon Bishop: Excited to see him. Keith Walker: Scares the living piss outta me, and pretty much everone in the audience. Great Heel. In ring work, is meh. Prince Ali: Regularly has motn. Great Heel, great worker, and puts on some really great matches. However, he sometime puts a little too much comedy in for his gimmick. Rudo Cortez: I honestly feel bad for Rudo. He's an outstanding talent, and any time I've talked to him after the shows he comes up as a really cool guy. But he gets stuck working some guys that I dont think he really wants to work with. He just doesn't seem motivated to do anything in the ring. Samantha Hart: If that "woman" meows at me one more time, I will punch her. Gavin Dunn: MONEY Hatebreed: Honestly havent formed an opinion on them yet. Overall, WAR has some good stuff. That was well done. I guess I painted show much of a rosey picture that I made you puke but the thing I love about the shows being at 1935 (The Dojo) is that I feel at home and I get some good wrestling to boot. The Dojo is a place that a wrestling fan should experience wrestling at least once. The number one thing I absolutely agree with you on is that Marshe Rocket is a one of kind and sooner or later, he will be able to bring in money himself. What I'll say about the Butcher is that I have seen about a half-dozen of his matches and even though I like him he hasn't proved to be much more than a bump specialist. On the 25th, it will be my first opprotunity to see Brandon Bishop, Gavin Dunn, and Jamie Dundee (besides TV in his case) but I wish Keith Walker was on the card. I was certain he was going to be on this one since he wasn't on the last.
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Post by aawstenaciousp on Jan 12, 2008 20:41:34 GMT -6
Iceman Tim Norton: The kid tries. He enjoys himself in the ring, but he doesn't seem to ever improve. I've been to Slam shows since they first started w/ Danny Daniels in charge and this kid hasnt show any improvement since then. Well, he stopped doing Stonce Cold Steve Austin moves so I guess that's a plus? To the best of my knowledge Danny Daniels was never in charge of anything at SLAM.
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Post by wrestlinggeek123 on Jan 12, 2008 22:00:31 GMT -6
Sader SUCKS. Flat out. Can't sell, can't bump, can't even throw a punch. He's over with the thirty five or so 5 year old kids that are there. The adults laugh at him. If the promoter wants to book someone to entertain those kids, so be it. Now, again he SUCKS, but the kids talk about him while they leave show, so take that for what its worth.
Respondinig:Sader suck? Wow, what an intelligent respnse. The fact that he's over with the kids is what matters in the end. The bottom line is that he has brought attendance up since his debut in Slam/War pro wrestling.Yes Steve boz does get a huge response, but if you have been to all the shows since October,(when Sader debuted) Nobody has gotten a bigger pop than him. Yes he can sell, and throw a punch, so please, relax. Here's my point,,, more mindless bashing. Be proud of yourself, sir.
Next Comment/Question please
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Post by warfan123 on Jan 12, 2008 22:10:05 GMT -6
I'm here to defend Chris Sader, it is true he is not a great worker, or even a good worker. Nor has he ever claimed to be. I've been going to Slam's/War's shows for over a year now and I've seen since sader debuted in October, attendance have gone amazingly up. I used to go to shows with maybe 30 people in attendance. Since Sader has been there, it has tripled. He is super over with the kids, and with few adults. But I can't deny that he does get the biggest pop on all of the shows he's been at it. At his first show, the pop was unreal. He was super over in his last match against Vanity. He actually did very good. I believe that he has great potential, and can be a real worker in this league, nobody has the right to tell anybody that they shouldn't be in this buisness. I don't care who you are, everyone has the right to pursue there dream. I have talked to him a few times after the shows, he seems like a super down to earth guy, my hats off to you Mr. Sader, good luck, god bless all.
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Post by dan5172 on Jan 12, 2008 22:11:47 GMT -6
Sader SUCKS. Flat out. Can't sell, can't bump, can't even throw a punch. He's over with the thirty five or so 5 year old kids that are there. The adults laugh at him. If the promoter wants to book someone to entertain those kids, so be it. Now, again he SUCKS, but the kids talk about him while they leave show, so take that for what its worth. Respondinig:Sader suck? Wow, what an intelligent respnse. The fact that he's over with the kids is what matters in the end. The bottom line is that he has brought attendance up since his debut in Slam/War pro wrestling.Yes Steve boz does get a huge response, but if you have been to all the shows since October,(when Sader debuted) Nobody has gotten a bigger pop than him. Yes he can sell, and throw a punch, so please, relax. Here's my point,,, more mindless bashing. Be proud of yourself, sir. Next Comment/Question please You can't get a pass with this. I hate to do this but I am afraid I have to give you a pass with them all coming from every direction.
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Post by kindergarten123 on Jan 12, 2008 23:37:08 GMT -6
My personal opinion: You don't HAVE to see him wrestle, and why would you want to? The 2 times I saw him at RPW I was like "What the hell is going on?!??!?!" He makes Tim Norton look like Bryan Danielson. Those kids remind me of when I was little watching Hogan. I thought he was AMAZING back in the day, like when the Mega Powers split. Watching the same stuff now, I want to exhale liquid. Chris Sader is the Great Khali of WAR. Can't work a lick, but hes there for show. There's SO much talent on the WAR roster, such as Rockett, Ali, Dunn, and Velasquez just to name a few. If you don't like what you see, there's always gimmick tables and concessions. When I went to SLAM, they had some damn good hot dogs. #2 in gimmick hot dogs next to IWA Mid-South.
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Post by knobbsismyhero on Jan 13, 2008 10:06:47 GMT -6
I'll concur with the people who don't like the way that Sader wrestles but that is not the biggest problem that I have with him. Every time that I have seen Sader in a wrestling ring it disappoints me that he looks just as out of shape as he did the last time I saw him. I woudl like to know if Sader even bothers taking a step inside a gym at all.
Its the wrestlers like Sader who find themselves over with kids who piss me off because thats all they care about. How bout hitting some weights and trying to get yoruself in shape so that you look like a respectable wrestler. If you know that you can't wrestle as well as the other guys in the fed than shouldn't you want to better yourself at everythign else?
The out of shape wrestlers on the indy scene today is ridiculous. Whe you turn on Raw or Smackdown, 98% of those guys are in shape. You have the few like Big Daddy V who aren't in shape either but he's a whole other story.
I have no respect for Chris Sader no matter how over he is or no matter how much attendance went up because of him. Bottom Line is the guy doens't care about what he looks like he just wants to go out there and have the kids cheer him because it will make him feel good at the end of the day. If Sader hits the gym once in a while and loses a few pounds the next time I see him maybe I'll gain a little more respect for him but as of right now its pathetic
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Post by warfan123 on Jan 13, 2008 10:29:27 GMT -6
I'll concur with the people who don't like the way that Sader wrestles but that is not the biggest problem that I have with him. Every time that I have seen Sader in a wrestling ring it disappoints me that he looks just as out of shape as he did the last time I saw him. I woudl like to know if Sader even bothers taking a step inside a gym at all. Its the wrestlers like Sader who find themselves over with kids who piss me off because thats all they care about. How bout hitting some weights and trying to get yoruself in shape so that you look like a respectable wrestler. If you know that you can't wrestle as well as the other guys in the fed than shouldn't you want to better yourself at everythign else? The out of shape wrestlers on the indy scene today is ridiculous. Whe you turn on Raw or Smackdown, 98% of those guys are in shape. You have the few like Big Daddy V who aren't in shape either but he's a whole other story. I have no respect for Chris Sader no matter how over he is or no matter how much attendance went up because of him. Bottom Line is the guy doens't care about what he looks like he just wants to go out there and have the kids cheer him because it will make him feel good at the end of the day. If Sader hits the gym once in a while and loses a few pounds the next time I see him maybe I'll gain a little more respect for him but as of right now its pathetic How the hell do you know what makes Sader feel good. For you to say that kids cheer him and thats what makes him feel good at the end of the day is ridicolous. You don't even know him, I dont even know him. I just know of him. From I what I can understand he is well liked by all the wrestlers in WAR. To say that you don't respect Chris Sader, because he doesn't work out is ridiculous. To single out this guy right now is getting pathetic. I really wish he would come and defend himself. From what I can see he has made no statement saying that he's a body builder, or great wrestler. To say that you don't care that he brought up attendance is also ridiculous. Leave the guy alone already. He has never bragged about anything, it is just other people defending him. Like I said the few times I've talked to him after shows, he is humble, and respectful to everybody. I heard he helps out a lot of people, and is a loyal friend, I've been told that his passion for the buisness is unreal. Because people don't work out they dont deserve respect, that is a disgusting comment. Who are you that he should have your respect. Enough already,
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Post by knobbsismyhero on Jan 13, 2008 10:38:45 GMT -6
I never asked for Sader's respect. This is simply my opinion of the man. There are plenty of other guys who don't workout and come out wrestling with a beer belly that I don't have respect for either.
I find it interesting that the two people who are the most adamant about defending Sader are new members to the board...anyone else find that interesting?
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Post by warfan123 on Jan 13, 2008 10:42:49 GMT -6
I don't find it interesting at all, I am a new member. Like I said I've met him a few times, and he is very nice to me. So I felt someone should defend him. Not as interesting as you may think.
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Post by Joe Heisman on Jan 13, 2008 12:19:55 GMT -6
WHO THE HELL TRAINED YOU??? JEALOUS MF'S, ALL YOU CAN DO IS JUST SIT BACK AND THROW STONES...HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE YOU EVER MADE FROM THIS BUSINESS? JUST BECAUSE THE CLOSEST YOU'LL EVEEEEEER GET TO THE WWE IS BUYING A TICKET, YOU HAVE TO PIPE UP???!!!!....SMARTEN UP YOU EN SMARK Johnny Thunder trained me Damn that was funny. I wish I could make it to this event, I think the card looks pretty good. I would like to see Butcher and yes..... even PL Myers in action. I gotta support my fellow PCW wrestlers. With all this back and forth arguing I just wanna say.... I like wrestling.
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Post by 1-900-909-9900 on Jan 13, 2008 14:54:43 GMT -6
I see people defending that Sader is a nice guy, but noone is defending the fact that he is UNTRAINED. No one is arguing the fact that this company puts an UNTRAINED guy on the show to wrestle matches. Everyone is talking about him needing to hit a gym, how about hitting a wrestling school? I don't care if your friends with Vince McMahon, if you're not trained you should not be on a show. I blame the promoter just as much as I blame this Sader hack.
Looking at the roster for the show I am very unimpredded and would NEVER drop my money on this show. It's just not worth it. I have seen all of these guys on different shows and I'm not impressed with them. I saw the other guy break it down, so I'll do the same.
Butcher- About as bad of a worker as they come. Just putting him on a show drops credibility of a company
PL Meyers- Se The Butcher
Acid Jazz- Very generic and too small to be taken seriously. He tries to work snug and it comes out as stiff and wreckless
Steve Boz- My least favorite wrestler in the scene. Him on a show makes me not want to attend
Marshee Rockett- He's good, but you can tell he is a Windy City Guy which means it's almost like he works in slow motion at times and appears lost.
Gavin Dunn- Never seen him
Rudo Cortez- He's just kind of there
Tim Norton- I'll lump him in with Chris Sader on this one
Jeff Luxon- I saw him on the charity show. He got busted open so I've never seen him actually work. I will say he gets great color
the beautiful and talented Sam Hart- See PL Meyers
I do like the Alto kid. He's a little spotty for me, and I think if he learns where to put those big spots, he'ss be really really good.
I like Bishop. I just hope he doesn't wear white trunks
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