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Post by Airblade on Feb 12, 2008 14:48:53 GMT -6
I am going to reclaim what is MINE and that is the VWAA Circuit Title. I could have had the VWAA Title if I wanted it, but I went for what should have been mine from the start. So you're saying that you don't want to be the top guy in VWAA, and you'd rather settle for second best? Does that sound COMPLETELY @$$ backwards to anyone other than me? Well I've not heard anything on the VWAA Title being the "top" title in the company, but if you go on a traditional scale then it would be. The Circuit Title has a much different rule set the any other title in the company does. Title can change hands on a count out or a DQ aside from your regular pinfall and submission. I am not sure on all the rules but I am sure there are more. The Circuit Champion does not have the option of a cheap route to secure his title. I am not saying the current VWAA champion would go that route either, but you get the idea. Maybe ADD's decision to go for the Circuit title is like that of any of the TNA Superstars who chose to go for the X-Division title as opposed to challenging for the TNA World Championship right away.
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Post by Frost on Feb 12, 2008 15:09:09 GMT -6
In response to Jordan Pryde and Airblade, I happen to like the Circuit Title, and I don't have any problems with anyone who wants to go after that title. But it's a known fact that it isn't the top title in VWAA. But, if I had a chance to challenge for the top belt (or what is perceived as the top belt), I'd take the chance....
Unless that belt was the old silver and red NWA TV Title...MAN, THAT BELT WAS AWESOME!!!!
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Post by stonecold on Feb 12, 2008 15:17:04 GMT -6
That was a sweet looking belt
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Post by Frost on Feb 12, 2008 15:30:01 GMT -6
And just so we're clear, I've ALWAYS liked the mid card titles more than the main titles (TV, US, IC). Especially after I first saw the old silver and red NWA TV Title, have I mentioned how AWESOME that belt was? I've always felt the matches were more competitive than the matches for the top title. What I'm saying is that if you have a chance to be at the top (or what is perceived as the top), why not take it? Now, let's get back to talking about this.... ....AND THE VWAA TOO!!!!
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Post by B. Rock on Feb 12, 2008 15:35:15 GMT -6
Does one of the plates really say ABC?
Classic.
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Post by dan5172 on Feb 12, 2008 15:50:34 GMT -6
I loved that US belt worn by Magnum TA, Nikita Koloff, Dusty Rhdes and Lex Luger that was destroyed by Koloff in 1991.
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Post by Frost on Feb 12, 2008 16:02:49 GMT -6
I loved that US belt worn by Magnum TA, Nikita Koloff, Dusty Rhdes and Lex Luger that was destroyed by Koloff in 1991. Lets take this to another thread in the general section....
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Post by Jordan Pryde on Feb 12, 2008 17:08:27 GMT -6
I will never look at the Circuit title as a "midcard" title. Just like when RVD had the TV title, or when the X-Division meant something, it's equal ground to the "top" title. Sometimes your shows will center around the "Heavyweight" title, and sometimes it will focus on the other. I can tell you there were MANY times that the TV and X titles main evented ppvs that the "HW" title was on. It shouldn't matter which title it is, it matters who the champion and contenders are. ADD used the words "Traditional Scale" which is how you're measuring the titles. You used the words "known fact" when it's not and can't be a known fact until some test is put to it, such as putting the Circuit Champion against the Vanguard champion.
If you compare right now, Isaias won a tournament (one night, 3 matches), while injured... and Ivan won the rumble. Now depending on how you look at it, that could go to favor either argument. Though, this will change that Isaias not only has a better record than Ivan, he advanced in a tournament that Ivan could not, and is the only man on the roster to have beaten Baltazar, who in turn, is the man who took Manson out of the Circuit tournament. Isaias (on that same night, in fact) also beat Juggalo J-City, who beat Ivan Manson in the Hardcore Kingship match.
If we used the information that we have right now, on pure record of fact alone and not challengers or tradition, The Circuit Championship would win.
I know I'm ranting, but when people use "traditional wrestling thought" to justify their argument instead of looking at everything as a whole i get into a huff like this.
I want you to know that I'm not attacking you Frost because, as you said, you're a fan. I'm just trying to explain why the Circuit title SHOULDN'T be looked at as second best or midcard by anybody.
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Post by Frost on Feb 12, 2008 18:16:48 GMT -6
Point made, and I respect it....
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Post by Lilith on Feb 12, 2008 23:16:51 GMT -6
Red leather is sooooo tacky. Ok, I'm over it now.
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Post by hitman666 on Feb 13, 2008 10:19:34 GMT -6
Hey Frost.... All I'll say is that "another" company is using that belt you love sooo much! I think it's Hot! Hit me up & i'll tell you who.(see VWAA,I have enough respect to not post the name of another fed in your post)
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Post by Lilith on Feb 13, 2008 12:07:49 GMT -6
That last sentence was a little uncalled for Hitman. How many times do we have to tell you that it was a fan that made those immature posts and not a worker from VWAA. I think it's time to move past that individuals actions and stop trying to crucify the company over it.
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Post by Frost on Feb 14, 2008 9:35:39 GMT -6
Hey Frost.... All I'll say is that "another" company is using that belt you love sooo much! I think it's Hot! Hit me up & i'll tell you who.(see VWAA,I have enough respect to not post the name of another fed in your post) Elite Pro uses the belt, although I didn't remember that until AFTER I sent you a PM.... Think I'm gonna have to go to an Elite Pro show...think they'll let me hold that belt for a bit? Yeah, I doubt it too.... And let me clarify something, Pryde is correct in saying that I have an old school, traditional way of looking at titles in wrestling. If the VWAA Title would have had a weight stipulation on it (Like the Heavyweight Title in WCPW and UAPW), I would have said the Circuit Title is the top title in VWAA (Just like I did with the League Title in WCPW, and the Inner-City Title in UAPW). But since it doesn't and it was the last championship crowned at what I thought was VWAA's big event (Resolution Rumble), I figured the Vanguard Title was the top title. In no way was I being disrespectful to those going after the Circuit Title because I happen to like the rules of the division (those should be some competitive matches). Like I said, I liked the mid card belts in the larger feds better anyway because of the competition in those matches (Anyone remember the Savage-Steamboat IC Title match at Mania 3, stole the show, best match of the night), and please don't get me started on Arn Anderson and the TV Title (or Tully Blanchard, for that matter....). I maybe should have chosen my words a little better, because I was in no way saying that the Circuit Title was inferior to the Vanguard Title. I was only saying that from the looks of it (on the VWAA website, and the order in which they awarded the championships to the champions), the VWAA Title is the top title in the hierarchy of things....
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Post by Airblade on Feb 14, 2008 10:33:12 GMT -6
I hear ya Frost. No worries
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Post by AAWVanguard on Feb 16, 2008 10:28:57 GMT -6
The VWAA would like to thank the fans that made it to the show on a cold Friday night, and we would also like to thank Jerry Castro, the owner of Coach’s Corner in Orland Park, for giving out the extra award for the night. As usual, the VWAA has the “Fan’s Photo Choice” drawing during the intermission where 1 fan can get a photo with any VWAA Star on hand and have that picture posted on our Myspace account. This is a door prize drawing that everyone who pays the general admission is a contestant for. St. Vanguard’s Day Massacre on February 15th had the addition of Mr. Castro’s prize for this lucky person, a full weekend use of a Hummer H3. (Friday until Monday morning) The lucky winner was Mary H. Kiss. (ENJOY!)
The opening bout was a traditional rookie - vs - veteran match up. The Indian Juggernaut, Tunica had had his fill of Sal DiNero demanding “dues” from him, but he certainly wasn’t prepared for the ring presence that DiNero has. Tunica took a beating both verbally and physically from DiNero, and to make matters worse for Tunica, Sal brought Zygo to ringside. Any offense Tunica tried to mount, Zygo cut off at the head with well placed distractions. Unfortunately for Sal DiNero, his patented “glass jaw” led him to a 3 count pin when Tunica tripped up the owner of the GYMW, landing him on his head and laying him out for the count. (WINNER by pin: TUNICA)
Directly after the welcoming of Daniel Zigwa, Isaias Velazquez, the current and undisputed VWAA Circuit Champion, came to the ring with an apology for the fans and one Jordan Pryde. Isaias suffered a hyper-extended elbow recently that made him unable to compete against Pryde for the Circuit Title. Jordan came out and understandingly accepted Isaias’ apology, but suddenly The Arabian Death Dealer’s music hit and the Chicago resident spewed hate toward both fan favorites. After the arguing simmered, Jordan got A.D.D. to agree to put up his #1 contention for the VWAA Circuit Title in a match against him later in the night. The match itself was fast paced. Jordan appeared to have the edge technically, but A.D.D.’s hate issues made him all too dangerous, and with Don T. Trust representing him, it was only a matter of time until Jordan felt the sting of villainy. But like the ending of every comic book, the good guy made a come back. Jordan Pryde sent the Dealer reeling and finished him off and tried for a pin, but a rogue from a few issues back by the name of Trauma reappeared and ultimately cost ADD the match by a disqualification. (WINNER by disqualification: JORDAN PRYDE)
Anyone who witnessed VANGUARD ONLINE #3 saw a quick shot of Thomas SINclair coming out of the VWAA office with his lawyer Don T. Trust. Maybe no one knew what that meant at the time, but it became clear the night of the 15th that Sinclair had secured a VWAA Championship match against Mad Dog Ivan Manson. The timing for this match was well planned. Ivan barely survived a match the previous week against Dameon Dunn, and what made that meeting all the more dangerous was the brawl that ensued between Dunn, Manson, Ratt & Machine in the side alley directly after. Ivan Manson had almost no recovery time, and smelling blood, Thomas Sinclair moved in for the kill like a rampant shark. Surely shocking everyone, Sinclair out wrestled Manson. Move for move, Sinclair had the VWAA Champion off his feet and in one hold or another, wrenching and weakening the Mad Dog. The only offense Ivan was able to muster was when his well known temper flared and his brawling techniques took over, however, Ratt J Flywheel was on hand for most of the match and provided the further annoyance that Sinclair needed to keep Manson unfocused, but all the well timed planning did not pay off in the end, and Sinclair eventually fell to Manson’s Stunner. (WINNER by pin: VWAA CHAMPION, MAD DOG IVAN MANSON)
The VWAA’s Women’s match carried with it a storybook ending. The match was originally dubbed a number 1 contender match for the VWAA Women’s Title and pitted Mia Martinez against Kimberly Kash. Not much was known about Martinez at the start of this match, but early on she proved that she meant business. Mia worked insistently on Kim’s arm trying to take the appendage away. Kim tried to mount many comebacks, but it became clear that Martinez was not afraid to use less than reputable tactics and took to them when the situation presented itself. However, with the support of the fans, Kash was able to overcome Mia’s challenge and pinned the newcomer in the middle of the ring. Then Kim was immediately approached by VWAA owners J J Valiant & Frankie Valiant. The Studd Muffin made it clear that he didn’t like Kimberly Kash and that she was fast becoming top contention on his list. With that, Frankie made the announcement that the VWAA Board had made a decision that would affect the Women’s division. The Board stated that every title in the VWAA was won through some sort of match, Rumble or Tournament except for one, The VWAA Women’s Championship. That title was awarded to Dymond through friendship only, the friendship between Studd Muffin and C-Red & Dymond. Although Dymond had wrestled as VWAA Women’s champion, through this decision she was in fact not the VWAA Women’s Champion. The VWAA Board decided to annul the championship of Dymond since the title was not won through any means of wrestling, therefore, unknowingly, Kimberly Kash and Mia Martinez wrestled for the vacant VWAA Women’s Championship. (WINNER by pin: THE FIRST AND UNDISPUTED VWAA WOMEN’S CHAMPION, KIMBERLY KASH)
The VWAA ring filled with many different personalities in the 6-man tag team match. On one end, Titan teamed up with Akuma and The Wishmaster, Zygo, and the other team was comprised of Ovirload, Juggalo J-City & Baltazar. With the mismatching of teams, many different styles of moves and personalities prevailed. If Akuma was in the ring with Baltazar, it was power against power. If Zygo and Ovirload tussled, it was high flying. Titan is an all-around wrestler and can easily mix up any style whereas J-City tends to brawl. It would certainly be interesting to hear this match called because the action was all over. The six men beat each other down relentlessly. Every time someone went for a pin, someone was there to interrupt it. It wasn’t until J-City & Zygo & Ovirload & Akuma took to fighting on the outside of the ring that Baltazar went in for a submission finish on Titan and was able to make him tap-out. (WINNER by submission: BALTAZAR, JUGGALO J-CITY & OVIRLOAD)
The main event was a rematch for the VWAA Tag Team Championship. Suspicious by his absence for his team of The Soul Touchaz was once again C-Red. In fact, it appeared to many that The Soul Touchaz were the tiniest bit off for this Tag Team Title rematch. This however didn’t affect their resilience or their commanding offense. Mitch was able to get his hands on Willie for a short time in the beginning of the match, but The Touchaz cut the ring in half and had Rick Walsh cut off from Mitch Blake. Move after move brought Willie and Marshe’ closer to the championship. Each pin attempt against Walsh made it clear to Blake that their reign could soon be over and he interrupted many pin attempts as a result. Finally, Walsh was able to garner enough wits about him to perform a spinebuster on Willie. This laid both men out. Referee Steve Cain began a ten count, but Willie was able to tag Marshe’, and Walsh was able to tag in Mitch Blake. Blake came in hot and “cleaned house” as they say then got Walsh to his feet where a couple double tag team maneuvers stunned The Soul Touchaz and led The Furies to victory. (WINNER by pin: THE VWAA TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS, THE FURIES)
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