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Post by AAWVanguard on Apr 6, 2008 8:54:45 GMT -6
Thanks to all that attended Industrial Studio for another stellar show. It was great seeing all the regulars, plus many new faces.
The night started with Sal DiNero in the ring getting ready to square off against his son, Giuseppe #7, for the still vacant GYMW Heavyweight “prop” Title. However, DiNero’s boasting and derogatory remarks about the VWAA and the VWAA Champion put the match on hold as Mad Dog Ivan Manson interrupted and put a challenge to DiNero & his seventh son. The match became Sal DiNero & Giuseppe #7 vs Mad Dog Ivan Manson. Handicapped match or not, Manson made short work of the DiNero family and walked out of the arena victorious.
MATCH #1 Sal Dinero & Giuseppe #7 vs Mad Dog Ivan Manson (WINNER by pin, Mad Dog Ivan Manson)
Match two was added to the card as a special treat for the VWAA fans provided by the skills of one Don T Trust who earlier in the day demanded a match for Thomas Sinclair. His opponent was one half of Team KO, Ovirload. The deck was stacked against Ovirload from the start of the match with TS having Trust at ringside, but when referee Bobby J threw Trust out of the arena for an interference, the playing field was leveled. However, Lamar Titan soon came to the aid of his Fall In Ruins partner and the match finally ended with TS taking the win.
MATCH #2 Ovirload vs Thomas SINclair (w/ Don T Trust)
(WINNER by pin, Thomas SINclair)
Face vs Face or Indian vs Super Hero was up for the next match. Squanto had made a special challenge to Jordan Pryde to simply pit each other’s skill to the test. Naturally, Pryde accepted Squanto’s contest and the two collided head on in the ring. Squanto put everything he had into this match as it seemed more a proving ground for him whereas Pryde took it as another worthy opponent and displayed his usual veteran vigor. Surprisingly, when the referee called for the match ending bell, it was Squanto that had his hand raised in victory.
MATCH #3 Squanto vs Jordan Pryde
(WINNER by pin, Squanto)
Juggalo J-City was up and ready to defend his VWAA Hardcore Kingship against a most formidable opponent in the form of one Demon of Damen, ATLAS! The entire point to this match that Atlas was trying to make is that he can pin any VWAA champion. However, hardcore rules dictate that the only victory method in a VWAA hardcore match is a 10 count knock-out. Also, Atlas told J-City that he was “doing this for his own good.” This match they were about to have was to ready J-City for May 3rd at Manifest Destiny. Regardless of any point either man had to make, they simply knocked each other senseless. Each man put everything they had into this match, but the end went afoul. In his opinion, Atlas finished J-City and made the referee count for a pin, which Bobby J did. Atlas staggered to his feet and proclaimed that he had just proved his point and left the arena. Referee Bobby J did all he could and began a count of 10 on Juggalo J-City, but the man from the Dark Carnival rose to his feet ready to continue the battle to which there was no longer an opponent for. With no opponent to continue the match, Bobby J called for a decision of No Contest. The VWAA Championship Committee is meeting to discuss this decision and how further occurrences as such can be prevented.
MATCH #4 VWAA Hardcore Kingship match.
Juggalo J-City © vs The Demon of Damen, Atlas
( NO CONTEST )
No one in their right mind would ever believe that Ben Cruise could defeat Mitch Blake of The Furies. Not taking anything away from Cruise, but Blake is a well seasoned pro wrestler who has seen it all, so to speak. So when the announcement was made that Johnny Wild signed a match for Cruise against Blake, many thought it was another one of Wild’s ploys to get The Furies off balance. Past practice has seen Wild selling off his scheduled contracts against The Furies, so when it was clear that Cruise was going to actually wrestle in the match against Blake, it was evident that Mitch did not wholly expect that and may have threw off his game slightly. What surely shocked many VWAA fans, as well as Mitch Blake himself, was that it was Alpha Bitz that led to the downfall of Blake in the match which cost him the pin. The after match brawl the ensued brought out Akuma as well as Rick Walsh, but in the end, The Furies cleared the ring and stood alone.
MATCH #5 Ben Cruise w/ Johnny Wild vs Mitch Blake w/ Alpha Bitz
(WINNER by pin, Ben Cruise)
The Amazin Kuan was thrown for a loop when his opponent for the night was changed and Titan personally announced to Kuan that it was himself, The Anomaly, Lamar Titan, that would be filling in the vacant spot in the match that Don T Trust had created. Ovirload had fallen to TS earlier in the night, and it was clear that Titan had every intention of doing the same with Kuan, but Kuan had enough sense to not go it alone and had his Team KO partner accompany him to the ring to keep the likes of Trust and TS at bay. His strategy worked well enough to keep the contest field level, but the skills of Titan still had the masked man from Game Crazy, Illinois reeling. There was plenty of back and forth in this match, but Lamar Titan had his shoulders pinned for the three count administered by head VWAA referee Steve Cain.
MATCH #6 The Amazin Kuan w/ Ovirload vs The Anomaly, Lamar Titan w/ Don T Trust & Thomas SINclair
(WINNER by pin, The Amazin Kuan)
The main event was for the VWAA Circuit Title. The Urban Gladiator, Trauma had finally positioned himself for a title shot against current and undisputed VWAA Circuit Champion Isaias Velazquez. Trauma easily overpowered Isaias in this match, but Isaias has proven in the past that he can out wrestle men twice his size and come out victorious. The hits were heavy and every power move Trauma applied to Isaias was brutal. Isaias countered with moves and holds that worked Trauma’s back, neck and arm to try to weaken him and take away his most powerful attributes, but Trauma still muscled his way through much of the match. It wasn’t until Trauma began to try to take moves out of Isaias’ book that the match turned toward Isaias’ favor leading to another victory for the undisputed VWAA Circuit Champion.
MATCH #7 VWAA Circuit Title Match
Isaias Velazquez © vs The Urban Gladiator, Trauma
(WINNER by submission, Isaias Velazquez)
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Post by benrichards on Apr 6, 2008 11:38:25 GMT -6
i went to my first and only VWAA show yesterday. I would say there were about 20 to 30 people in this garage type building. Ceilings are so low and dont understand why any body would try a top rope manuver( i saw at least three moves off the top rope).  first match that was on was a waste of time. two masked people vs the heavy weight champ. probably 2 minutes long and very bad. then one of the masked guys was left on the floor till intermission. thats what i didnt underrstand. why would you leave someone on the floor while other matches were going on. it seem like he tried to take focus of the other matches buy being all dazed and in a garbage can. second match was a black luchador vs some skinny guy who the crowd chanted "doogie". here is another match that made no sense, one sided, and extremely bad psychology. you can tell who was the "green" one of the two. too many blown spots where thet were tangled alot of the times. and one point, a couple people from the front row were saying, "what the hell are they doing." then out of no where a wrestler just decides to come and support doogie. third match was an indian vs samoa joe wanna be. let me say that i respect what wrestlers do but should you be doing crazy dives in a low ceiling building and in front of 30 people. here is another match where a "green" guy gets lost during the match and makes it so obvious. next match was a hardcore match. some black guy with really baggy pants, who looked like a big old heaft bag, vs a guy wearing a crown with spikes or something on it. crap the next matches i dont even remember nor care about. intermission came and dont remember anything after that. some of these guys need to hit the gym and need alot more training. in the crowd i saw a couple of guys that looked the part of wrestlers like the couple of guys in the front row and one guy sitting by himself in the last row. over all it was a bad experience. i knew it was going to be bad when the person who rings the bell gets introduced to the crowd with music. the referee, who doesnt know how to ref, also got introduced with music. the best two parts of the show was that i was sitting next to guy with a bears jacket who was making me laugh so much with his comments and when i finally left that show. |
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Post by Airblade on Apr 6, 2008 21:43:29 GMT -6
i went to my first and only VWAA show yesterday. I would say there were about 20 to 30 people in this garage type building. Ceilings are so low and dont understand why any body would try a top rope manuver( i saw at least three moves off the top rope). first match that was on was a waste of time. two masked people vs the heavy weight champ. probably 2 minutes long and very bad. then one of the masked guys was left on the floor till intermission. thats what i didnt underrstand. why would you leave someone on the floor while other matches were going on. it seem like he tried to take focus of the other matches buy being all dazed and in a garbage can. second match was a black luchador vs some skinny guy who the crowd chanted "doogie". here is another match that made no sense, one sided, and extremely bad psychology. you can tell who was the "green" one of the two. too many blown spots where thet were tangled alot of the times. and one point, a couple people from the front row were saying, "what the hell are they doing." then out of no where a wrestler just decides to come and support doogie. third match was an indian vs samoa joe wanna be. let me say that i respect what wrestlers do but should you be doing crazy dives in a low ceiling building and in front of 30 people. here is another match where a "green" guy gets lost during the match and makes it so obvious. next match was a hardcore match. some black guy with really baggy pants, who looked like a big old heaft bag, vs a guy wearing a crown with spikes or something on it. crap the next matches i dont even remember nor care about. intermission came and dont remember anything after that. some of these guys need to hit the gym and need alot more training. in the crowd i saw a couple of guys that looked the part of wrestlers like the couple of guys in the front row and one guy sitting by himself in the last row. over all it was a bad experience. i knew it was going to be bad when the person who rings the bell gets introduced to the crowd with music. the referee, who doesnt know how to ref, also got introduced with music. the best two parts of the show was that i was sitting next to guy with a bears jacket who was making me laugh so much with his comments and when i finally left that show. Well the thats the industrial studio, and I think the name fits personally. The first match ws Sal Dinero and one of his 57,000 kids vs Ivan Manson. Enough said on that. Ivan did what he does best and that was demolish them. Poor #7 got stuck in that trash can and couldnt get out. The second match was TS vs Ovirload. I will admit that it wasnt perfect but it was ok. The whole point of the studio shows are to give the "Green" guys a chance to work in front of a crowd. You can only do so much in an empty building. Moving on.. The third match was Jordan Pryde vs Squanto. While I will admit Jordan does resemble Samoa Joe, it is not something he can control. They are his genetics so deal with that lol. The man that faced Juggalo J-City was Atlas. Atlas has spent the last several months training with a major wrestler in the company at his own company in Texas. That should sum it up for you. Overall I will say it was a decent show and not great but no company on the planet has great shows every single time. Each crowd is a different flavor. |
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Post by Lilith on Apr 6, 2008 21:57:11 GMT -6
While Mr. Ben Richards is entitled to his opinion, which I can respect, there are a few things I would like to clear up...
That 'guy' stuck in the garbage can was poor Giuseppe #7. There were a few attempts to help him out made, however every time someone tried to come to his rescue the fans started chanting "leave him, leave him...." With such a request, how could you not give the fans what they want?
The referee who didn't seem to know what he was doing was none other than BobbyJ. It's common knowledge that the guy is a buffoon.
The bell keep for the evening was none other than Lady C. Some in the scene are aware of who she is and has earned the right to have her own entrance music. For those of you who are not familiar, I don't expect you to understand.
The only thing I would like to argue with Mr. Richards on is his comment of guys needing to hit the gym. That part I wont argue, I myself could afford to exercise more than I do. However, it is not fair to attack one fed on that, there are several guys in the scene that could 'afford to hit the gym' and to make it out that it is only a problem in the VWAA is an unfair judgment.
I would love to hear via this thread or a PM as to what your expectations for a local fed to be since you seemed to be so disappointed with the product.
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Post by lifeisawork on Apr 7, 2008 8:57:15 GMT -6
I don't know by Ben Richards by any means, i only read what he says on this board. i didn't attend the show either, so i wont make any comments on it.
i just wanted to say, ben richards didnt say vwaa was the only fed that needed guys to hit the gym. he went to the show, and described what he saw. this thread isnt about poww, pcw, wcpw, war, epw, etc. its a discussion of a vwaa show, so i'm not sure why he would have to bring up other federations. i imagine comparing, oh i dont know, vwaa with windy city would spark a debate on this board. Nor did he say "VWAA is the most unfit, overweight fed in all of illinois, and all other feds are inshape and the epitome of wrestling"" or something to that extent. he commented on what he saw at a particular show.
i think any fan of wrestling, when going to an indy show, wants to be entertained with the in ring product. as long as the matches are exciting to watch and such, theyll like it. obviously, richards wasnt entertained with the in ring product, but i'm sure others in the vwaa audience were. it happens. not everyone that watches or goes to a vwaa, wcpw, tna or wwe show will like what they see.
i'm totally not big on body sizes, some of the most muscular guys in wrestling history are the worst wrestlers, while there are guys like dusty or jake the snake on the opposite end, great wrestlers, not so great bodies.
Atlas has fought Abyss for pwa, own and run by booker t, which fans on the pwa message board, said was a good match. Not sure him being down in Texas was for wrestling, i've heard something entirely different as to why.
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Post by frankievaliant on Apr 7, 2008 9:39:34 GMT -6
First off "lifeisawork," I love you. I agree with everything you posted. As far as Ben Richards, I am happy that he gave it a try. At least he made the effort. His discription of events were off quite a bit, but everyone does see things in a different way, especially when they do not know personalities or the angles going on. I will defend the studio though. Yes, it has a low ceiling, but dive, suplexs, almost anything is still possible in there. What makes it all the more interesting is to see how a wrestler will react to his surroundings and how they will use them. Quite a few of our old-schoolers love the place because they have said that workers actually have to wrestle in there. But truthfully, I do commend Ben Richards for the try. I also still want to thank the people who want to see the VWAA. Our pre-ticket sales for the 18th and May 3rd that night alone were pretty impressive.
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Post by lifeisawork on Apr 7, 2008 10:57:56 GMT -6
and i love you frankie valiant. in the only hetero way possible in a world full of near naked men in tights jostling for position.
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Post by stonecold on Apr 7, 2008 15:43:08 GMT -6
VWAA's in-ring product is rather entertaining which keeps fans like myself coming back for more
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Post by benrichards on Apr 7, 2008 15:45:43 GMT -6
I don't know by Ben Richards by any means, i only read what he says on this board. i didn't attend the show either, so i wont make any comments on it. i just wanted to say, ben richards didnt say vwaa was the only fed that needed guys to hit the gym. he went to the show, and described what he saw. this thread isnt about poww, pcw, wcpw, war, epw, etc. its a discussion of a vwaa show, so i'm not sure why he would have to bring up other federations. i imagine comparing, oh i dont know, vwaa with windy city would spark a debate on this board. Nor did he say "VWAA is the most unfit, overweight fed in all of illinois, and all other feds are inshape and the epitome of wrestling"" or something to that extent. he commented on what he saw at a particular show. i think any fan of wrestling, when going to an indy show, wants to be entertained with the in ring product. as long as the matches are exciting to watch and such, theyll like it. obviously, richards wasnt entertained with the in ring product, but i'm sure others in the vwaa audience were. it happens. not everyone that watches or goes to a vwaa, wcpw, tna or wwe show will like what they see. . amen brother. you obviously know what i'm talking about. had i known that it was a "family" show,(green guys working for their families), i wouldnt have attended. |
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Post by frankievaliant on Apr 7, 2008 20:24:03 GMT -6
I don't know by Ben Richards by any means, i only read what he says on this board. i didn't attend the show either, so i wont make any comments on it. i just wanted to say, ben richards didnt say vwaa was the only fed that needed guys to hit the gym. he went to the show, and described what he saw. this thread isnt about poww, pcw, wcpw, war, epw, etc. its a discussion of a vwaa show, so i'm not sure why he would have to bring up other federations. i imagine comparing, oh i dont know, vwaa with windy city would spark a debate on this board. Nor did he say "VWAA is the most unfit, overweight fed in all of illinois, and all other feds are inshape and the epitome of wrestling"" or something to that extent. he commented on what he saw at a particular show. i think any fan of wrestling, when going to an indy show, wants to be entertained with the in ring product. as long as the matches are exciting to watch and such, theyll like it. obviously, richards wasnt entertained with the in ring product, but i'm sure others in the vwaa audience were. it happens. not everyone that watches or goes to a vwaa, wcpw, tna or wwe show will like what they see. . amen brother. you obviously know what i'm talking about. had i known that it was a "family" show,(green guys working for their families), i wouldnt have attended. Did you happen to actually READ what lifeisawork wrote? You obviously only see, read and hear what you want because your reply to lifeisawork proves such as well as your account of what happened at the show. I thought that perhaps you simply miscounted events, but you were too far off on your recollection of our house show for me to any longer consider you a valuable source of criticism. If you were in fact in the building at all, you went in with an apparent bad attitude, OR you let the opening sway the rest of the night for you, OR you planned on being a hater from the start. You started off in your first post rather well. I did not agree with what you wrote, but it was your opinion and I did respect that, however, your second post simply brought out the ass in you proving you intend nothing more then VWAA bashing. The only GREEN I see Mr. Richards is the GREEN of your ENVY. Jealousy eats people alive, just remember that as you continue to live your failed, useless and pathetic life. |
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Post by The Dean on Apr 7, 2008 21:34:24 GMT -6
I don't normally call fans out, but after reading Ben Richards' "critique" of our show, I decided to PM him, not to rip him,but to find out his background in terms of how long he had been watching, who he had watched and so on to see where he was coming from in the way he described our show. Here is his response to me, lifted directly from his message back to me earlier today.
Now obviously I have no problems with the promotions he named, I have friends who work or have worked for all of these promotions. But he betrays himself by saying he does not even go to these shows on a regular basis. He did not recognize several veterans of the Chicago scene who were involved in the show that night (Ivan Manson, Atlas, The Furies, Trauma, myself).
Ben, if you don't know who any of us are, you don't know the scene, you don't know ANYTHING about the wrestling business and you need to keep your obviously prejudicial pre-planned opinions to yourself.
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Post by lifeisawork on Apr 7, 2008 22:23:21 GMT -6
i don't necessarily agree with posting a person's response to a PRIVATE message if they didnt give permission, hence a private message. not like he revealed anything crazy or creepy about himself, i would just hope he knew his answer would be posted in the forum. i understand deans point though and why he posted it. but whats done is done.
like i said ,i didn't go to the show, but i dont see how one can follow the chicago scene and not know ivan manson, the furies, and especially Velazquez and trauma*epw for trauma i believe*, who wrestle for other promotions as well. i don't really expect a ref to be noticed, because you never notice the good ones, only the bad ones, so no knock to dean if he didnt remember you from other shows.
However, if he just goes to aaw, iwa, epw shows, then he may not know a lot of the guys. off hand, i cant think of any one but trauma and baltazar, and maybe machine, who are in vwaa and have worked for any of those 3 promotions. the fact is, when a lot of the above mentioned guys were with wcpw, wcpw wasnt what it was in the past or what its turning back into presently. no one can argue that wcpw's attendance was down, and wasnt putting on the best of shows back then, which would mean not a whole lot of new fans were coming in unless some random TNA guy was coming in to beat one of their own, thus not really building a new audience .so perhaps this is his first time seeing these wrestlers in action. i guess i tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, but i can see where his criticism would be seen as harsh. i always say to give a fed 2 or 3 shows before you make a judgement, anyone can have a bad night ,or even a great night. one show doesn't make or break a fed, its a marathon, not a sprint when it comes to whether a fed will last or not and how good/talented/entertaining it is.
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Post by foxtrot on Apr 8, 2008 12:37:25 GMT -6
i went to my first and only VWAA show yesterday. I would say there were about 20 to 30 people in this garage type building. Ceilings are so low and dont understand why any body would try a top rope manuver( i saw at least three moves off the top rope). first match that was on was a waste of time. two masked people vs the heavy weight champ. probably 2 minutes long and very bad. then one of the masked guys was left on the floor till intermission. thats what i didnt underrstand. why would you leave someone on the floor while other matches were going on. it seem like he tried to take focus of the other matches buy being all dazed and in a garbage can. second match was a black luchador vs some skinny guy who the crowd chanted "doogie". here is another match that made no sense, one sided, and extremely bad psychology. you can tell who was the "green" one of the two. too many blown spots where thet were tangled alot of the times. and one point, a couple people from the front row were saying, "what the hell are they doing." then out of no where a wrestler just decides to come and support doogie. third match was an indian vs samoa joe wanna be. let me say that i respect what wrestlers do but should you be doing crazy dives in a low ceiling building and in front of 30 people. here is another match where a "green" guy gets lost during the match and makes it so obvious. next match was a hardcore match. some black guy with really baggy pants, who looked like a big old heaft bag, vs a guy wearing a crown with spikes or something on it. crap the next matches i dont even remember nor care about. intermission came and dont remember anything after that. some of these guys need to hit the gym and need alot more training. in the crowd i saw a couple of guys that looked the part of wrestlers like the couple of guys in the front row and one guy sitting by himself in the last row. over all it was a bad experience. i knew it was going to be bad when the person who rings the bell gets introduced to the crowd with music. the referee, who doesnt know how to ref, also got introduced with music. the best two parts of the show was that i was sitting next to guy with a bears jacket who was making me laugh so much with his comments and when i finally left that show. Thanks for the recap ben, I respect your opinion. I don't have to be in the movie business to be able to have an opinion on a movie, I also don't have to be a professional chef to have an opinion on a restaurant, and you don't have to be a wrestling insider to have an opinion on a show you attended. |
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Post by Joey Eastman on Apr 8, 2008 12:55:21 GMT -6
I don't normally call fans out, but after reading Ben Richards' "critique" of our show, I decided to PM him, not to rip him,but to find out his background in terms of how long he had been watching, who he had watched and so on to see where he was coming from in the way he described our show. Here is his response to me, lifted directly from his message back to me earlier today. Now obviously I have no problems with the promotions he named, I have friends who work or have worked for all of these promotions. But he betrays himself by saying he does not even go to these shows on a regular basis. He did not recognize several veterans of the Chicago scene who were involved in the show that night (Ivan Manson, Atlas, The Furies, Trauma, myself). Ben, if you don't know who any of us are, you don't know the scene, you don't know ANYTHING about the wrestling business and you need to keep your obviously prejudicial pre-planned opinions to yourself. Steve, That was the most markish thing I have ever heard anyone say. Have you ever left the Chciago scene and worked another area for a period of time? This guy attends shows at places that Ivan, Trauma, Atlas don't work. I have never heard of Atlas, does that mean that I don't know the scene? Just because someone doesn' know who you are doesn't mean you need to pm the guy and sh*t on him by saying he doesn't know the scene because he doesn't YOU. The guys you mentioned have really only worked for one place until recently with the exception of Trauma who has worked a lot of places. You inlcluded yourself in the list of people that he didn't recognize. He then mentioned the feds that he attends. I will now ask you Mr. Cain, when have you EVER worked for IWA, AAW, Elite, or NWA Midwest? The answer is you have never worked for those feds. Stop being a douche |
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Post by Rerun World Hwt Champ of Love on Apr 8, 2008 13:38:01 GMT -6
Indeed.
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