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Post by jayrep on Jun 8, 2010 10:34:49 GMT -6
I don't have to inflate my draw to impress the iwc. My wife counts the ticket stubs and I count money in the gate at the end of the night. There were people coming and going because of the storms as well. We also offered refunds because of the Sid no show (we gave 2).
Nonetheless, I would like to thank the 150 people that each donated $12 to the DREAMWAVE Wrestling cause. (/sarcasm again)
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Post by Justin Clark on Jun 8, 2010 18:14:04 GMT -6
jayrep - You don't have to defend yourself. Like someone else said, attendance is business for the promoters and nothing more.
That said, I liked my first trip to DREAMWAVE, and it was good to see old friends and Ali's bid out. I'm not gonna lie, I was for sure taking notes. And really enjoyed the product. A little long for my tastes, something I've always been vocal about on shows, but all things considered you got a lot in.
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Post by Kagemaru! on Jun 9, 2010 0:20:28 GMT -6
Tyler Black as a guest has got to be a joke. He is no star, good talent but no better than the rest of the guys in that locker room and no more exposed either. Your comment about exposure is way off. Tyler has worked big shows. PPV main event's all over the country, Japan, etc. I just read a feature on him in Pro Wrestling Illustrated the other day. No one else on that roster has that kind of exposure. Just a fact. Also, props to Ali for leaving the ring on his terms. I always thought he was a real talented guy and best of luck to him. 1st off thanks Jay for clearing that up about Ali's match being a retirement match. 2nd...ok without taking anything away from Tyler and him being good and all. I really do not care where he has been outside the country and what he has done. I personally don't think it makes him better than the people on the roster but this is not about that, we are talking about exposure right? So I will stick to the subject at hand. You said no one on the roster has done what he has as far as major shows, travel, and what not. I really am not a fan at all of the persons work I am about to mention but I have been watching wrestling for some years now and before Tyler Black even burst onto our scene wasn't Steve Boz working dark matches for all of the major promotions at the time? Has he not traveled and has he not had numerous tryouts with all the top companies and been in the ring with a very long list of credible names? I will give you this much, he is not as good in the ring as Tyler Black. In fact I think he sucks to put it simply. Now let's not get sensitive here folks. It is my opinion and I have a right to it. If he or anyone does not like how I feel about him then to bad. He is a public person and is up for critique by anyone and I owe no one an explanation as to why I think he sucks I just do so leave it at that. Back to the topic at hand though. Steve Boz has been all over the place possibly more than Tyler. Not sure if he has traveled out side the country much. I don't follow his work but with all that under his belt he is still just another indy wrestler whom most casual meaning non smart fans like us have no idea who he is. If casual fans do not know who you are then I think that counts as under exposed as far as special guests are concerned. Tyler Black like Steve Boz doesn't exactly get jumped on the streets by crazed fans therefore neither of them qualify to be "special guests" of course Jay has already cleared that up for us. He is just a regular part of the roster which is where he belongs. Tyler will make a nice addition to the Dreamwave roster that is for sure but there are plenty of guys there that can wrestle on his level, perhaps above it. I do not see him wrestling too many of those guys under the table. Just because he has had the opportunies to be in more right places at the right times than others to gain what he has for his career certainly does not make him better than everyone else on the roster. I know you did not say he was better though. Yes I understood your post, I am just stating it because I felt like it. |
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Post by aawstenaciousp on Jun 9, 2010 10:07:17 GMT -6
Good post.
I would argue being the ROH World Champion gains quite a bit of exposure for Tyler. I don't recall ever seeing the B-O-Z having a big spread in a major wrestling publication like Pro Wrestling Illustrated. Also being on television (all be it HDNET), MTV, PPV and working overseas and around the country on a weekly basis further supports my argument. Without even mentioning his huge following on the web, all these things combined equal greater exposure than working some darks and some shows for Jerry Lawler years ago.
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Post by artyu43 on Jun 9, 2010 13:33:42 GMT -6
so what about the ali reitrement match.
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Post by Chicago Sucks! on Jun 9, 2010 14:36:07 GMT -6
Keep in mind Tyler Black was ranked as one of the top 20 wrestlers in the world in 2009.
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Post by Kagemaru! on Jun 9, 2010 20:16:54 GMT -6
Good post. I would argue being the ROH World Champion gains quite a bit of exposure for Tyler. I don't recall ever seeing the B-O-Z having a big spread in a major wrestling publication like Pro Wrestling Illustrated. Also being on television (all be it HDNET), MTV, PPV and working overseas and around the country on a weekly basis further supports my argument. Without even mentioning his huge following on the web, all these things combined equal greater exposure than working some darks and some shows for Jerry Lawler years ago. Good post as well  With all that Tyler has under his belt, If I where to attend a wwe show tomorrow and randomly ask fans around the building if they knew who tyler black was...I assure you the majority would be like, tyler who? But this should be a dead topic because this was a debate about him being worthy enough to be considered a special guest. We have already confirmed that no he is not. Put Tyler Black on any indy flyer and he will not boost the attendence by much if anything at all. What he will do is add quality matches to the show but dreamwave does not seem like a company that is suffering in that department right now anyway They have very good talent already, and put on very good shows. Tyler depending on what he charges could just be an uneeded expense but can also create some exciting matches. |
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Post by kwagner on Jun 10, 2010 8:12:02 GMT -6
Different arguments to this, I think. Mine is, having TB on a show helps because all that international traveling, ROH title holding, PWI high ranking indy superstardom is something that he has that nobody else on the Dreamwave roster has, except for Boz I guess. Arguably, it may not mean anything to the casual fan but neither does having a picture of anybody else on that roster on the flyer if we're going that route. Tyler has a lot of history, background and achievements to hype on fliers, online, ads, whatever your fancy is. It means SOMETHING.
As for his talent level? Matter of opinion but the majority seems to think he's damn good. From a business perspective, well, there are tricks to using names like him to make your money back in ways you couldn't with others. He's an investment in the end and like any good business owner should, you can think of ways to turn him into a profitable one. For my two cents worth, easy decision on this one.
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Post by tobihope on Jun 10, 2010 8:33:52 GMT -6
From a business perspective, well, there are tricks to using names like him to make your money back in ways you couldn't with others. He's considered a "name" now? |
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Post by Chicago Sucks! on Jun 10, 2010 12:54:42 GMT -6
Tobi, if you're ranked in the top 20 in the PWI 500...how can you NOT be? And don't claim he bribed them like $5,000 for that ranking.
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Post by tobihope on Jun 10, 2010 13:08:28 GMT -6
Tobi, if you're ranked in the top 20 in the PWI 500...how can you NOT be? And don't claim he bribed them like $5,000 for that ranking. Crimey - Being ranked in the PWI 500 is worth about as much as the papaer it's printed on. I don't care if you're #1, #20 or #423. |
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Post by johnson on Jun 10, 2010 19:55:41 GMT -6
Tobi, if you're ranked in the top 20 in the PWI 500...how can you NOT be? And don't claim he bribed them like $5,000 for that ranking. Crimey - Being ranked in the PWI 500 is worth about as much as the papaer it's printed on. I don't care if you're #1, #20 or #423. I'll say just this, and I really hope MCC doesnt think I'm taking his side. Being ranked in PWI doesn't matter to any of us, affiliated with wrestling. However it does matter to casual and even die hard fans that read that publication. Aren't they the ones that really matter? Aren't they the ones that shell out money so we can continue to put on shows, that we love doing? |
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Post by TALON on Jun 12, 2010 8:59:59 GMT -6
I think it's cool that Tyler is coming back to where he started...but I (& I know this differs on the fan) would not decide to go or not go based on him being on the card.
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Post by kwagner on Jun 12, 2010 14:50:34 GMT -6
From a business perspective, well, there are tricks to using names like him to make your money back in ways you couldn't with others. He's considered a "name" now? He is a world champion on a televised wrestling program. At the very least, you can sell polaroids.  |
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