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Post by Lilith on Jun 7, 2007 15:18:36 GMT -6
Lilith, you can use whatever tag line you want, but don't you think that having a card at a Church function and your quote are a bit out of step? Personally, as a person of faith I don't think I can support your company if you are going to insult me for being a Catholic. Let me start by making you aware that my personal beliefs and where the company I am promoting runs their shows are two separate things. Also, to put you at ease, I will not be at this show. I find it very interesting that you automatically assume that I am insulting the Christian faith with my statements. There are other religions out there and neither one of them are directed at one particular faith over another. There are more religions other than Catholicism. It was not a directed insult toward anyone. However, being Catholic shouldn't you follow the example stated in Matthew 5:39, "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also." Another thing I find interesting is you stating that you have issues supporting a company due to a person's individual beliefs. That's very judgemental of you. Matthew 7:1-5. 1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." |
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Post by foxtrot on Jun 8, 2007 16:43:22 GMT -6
With all due respect, your quote only mentions "religion", not one particular religion, and I think any reasonable person would take your statement to mean religions in general. If you are singling out one particular religion you might want to edit your statement. As far as me being judgmental, I find it hard to fathom why somebody who is being intolerant of religion and then being called on it why you would want to be portrayed as a victim. If you were a Jew, and down the street a store was owned by a neo-nazi who espoused his views in a public way, and in fact, in front of you, would you be judgmental to decide not to shop at his store and give somebody intolerant of you your hard earned money? Of course not, no reasonable person would want to do that. If you want to be a promoter of an organization, you want to bring in people of all walks of life, blacks, white, latinos, athiests, baptists, jews, buddists so you can make the most money for your workers and your owners. If you are publicly intolerant of a particular group, don't be surprised if that group doesn't want to give your their hard earned money and their valuable time. Lilith, you can use whatever tag line you want, but don't you think that having a card at a Church function and your quote are a bit out of step? Personally, as a person of faith I don't think I can support your company if you are going to insult me for being a Catholic. Let me start by making you aware that my personal beliefs and where the company I am promoting runs their shows are two separate things. Also, to put you at ease, I will not be at this show. I find it very interesting that you automatically assume that I am insulting the Christian faith with my statements. There are other religions out there and neither one of them are directed at one particular faith over another. There are more religions other than Catholicism. It was not a directed insult toward anyone. However, being Catholic shouldn't you follow the example stated in Matthew 5:39, "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also." Another thing I find interesting is you stating that you have issues supporting a company due to a person's individual beliefs. That's very judgemental of you. Matthew 7:1-5. 1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." |
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Post by frankievaliant on Jun 8, 2007 18:33:34 GMT -6
Well,.. the 23rd IS a free show. Anyway, Lilith's views are her own & it is just a quote. The church we are performing at has been the church of one of the VWAA owners for 34 years, & Lilith's comments mean nothing to him. This is mostly because he knows her & knows it is just a quote, but he also realizes that everyone has a right to think what they think, & since this is an open forum message board, there really isn't an issue. The VWAA hasn't banned The Arabian Death Dealer just because of his views of our country. His comments are his, & although we don't agree with his views, we understand that it is his right to believe so. To keep people out based on belief is simply racist and bad business.
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Post by frankievaliant on Jun 10, 2007 17:31:43 GMT -6
The first official match has been signed for the 23rd in Calumet City and it is a tag-team match. Next Wave, Jordan Pryde & Ben Cruise have signed contracts to take on none other than The Faction. As of this moment, it is not clear which members of The Faction will team against the super-hero duo as that much of the contract is "open ended," but I have a feeling I just may be stepping into a tag match in my near future! The full card will post shortly.
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Post by bobbyj on Jun 11, 2007 12:17:34 GMT -6
I just want to quote the pastor on all these religious comments:
Father Marty 1:1
"AT 6pm make sure you grab a beer because at 6:30 showtime at St Andrews will be here".
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Post by twan on Jun 15, 2007 12:35:39 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure Bryan Danielson vs. KENTA and Kurt Angle will be in Chicago this night too... Hmmm looks like the VWAA is going head to head on this night against WCPW since some of the VWAA is made up of former Windy City Stars. Now what show would the fans want to go to see. A free wrestling show where they have a beer tent serving an ice cold one in good old Cal City to raise money for a church? Heck be a good way to make amends with God and go to Church for a night. Or paying $8 to WCPW for a funraiser for the Eastside Little League who won the big grand money prize last December at dinner with the stars ? How much money do these kids need? I say..head to Calumet City IL..home of the smiley towers...home of the Blues Brothers and home of the free. |
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Post by arabiandeathdealer on Jun 15, 2007 13:28:21 GMT -6
Danielson vs KENTA > Angle any day.
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Post by B. Rock on Jun 15, 2007 18:31:57 GMT -6
Danielson vs KENTA > Angle any day. A.D.D. aren't you supposed to be trying to get your show over? |
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Post by redstaracura on Jun 15, 2007 19:43:33 GMT -6
Danielson vs KENTA > Angle any day. A.D.D. aren't you supposed to be trying to get your show over? I'm pretty sure he's just referring to either one or the other. |
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Post by arabiandeathdealer on Jun 16, 2007 19:55:36 GMT -6
A.D.D. aren't you supposed to be trying to get your show over? I'm pretty sure he's just referring to either one or the other. I will be at the VWAA show, although the powers that be for the venue seem to be against letting me wrestle due to my name. However, if I had to choose between PCW and ROH, ROH hands down. |
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Post by frankievaliant on Jun 17, 2007 18:25:47 GMT -6
What's in a name? I could care less if you were called Jesus Killa Perez,... its just the venue that cares. (But even that can be worked!) I like you ADD,... you've got what it takes to go places. You use the rules to satisfy your needs, & if someone suffers for it,... pashaw them. Justin Adams is a great victory to have under your belt, no matter how it was gotten. We have our eyes on you.
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vigilante
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U AIN'T GOT NUTHIN' ON ME!!!
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Post by vigilante on Jun 17, 2007 21:25:42 GMT -6
The only thing I ask you Mr. Valiant, is that this Saturday I can get my hands on that backstabbing Juggalo! I commend your brother for making it a tag match. I have no ill will towards the Soul Touchaz. They were the better team.
I took a hell of a beating and still found it in me to make the tag just to get attacked afterwards by my own partner! I want to see if they can do the same damage when they're not beating me down from behind when I accept them as partners!
My words to you Juggalos.....
U AIN'T GOT NUTHIN' ON ME!!!!!
P.S. Although I didn't condone of his tactics (or his views), I was very impressed with ADD. I can see potential in his future!
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Post by frankievaliant on Jun 18, 2007 7:42:13 GMT -6
There just might be an opening for you on the 23rd to take on Juggalo J-City. The match was supposed to happen anyway, so why not. You'll be getting a call.
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Post by bobbyj on Jun 18, 2007 11:37:24 GMT -6
VWAA Tentative Card Bell Time is 6:30PM - 8 PM St Andrews Fest will end at 11 PM 1. Frankie V and V-Factor w JJ Valiant VS Next-Wave 2. TBD 3. Juggalo w Juggalo Bro VS Vigilante 4. Main Event - Ivan "Maddog" Manson Vs "THE MACHINE" 5. Battle Royal  Card is subject to change |
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Post by arabiandeathdealer on Jun 18, 2007 12:11:12 GMT -6
Interesting card thus far....
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